Harry on Tour

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Just looking at the photos of Harry in Lesotho . Don’t know when I last saw him looking so relaxed and happy .
Nice to see.

Charles Spencer tried to persuade Harry to slow down with his relationship so that won’t exactly endear him to Meghan .

@smilesy
Do you not think if Harry wanted to seperate and keep the kids in the UK he'd ask for Daddy's help?

But your probably right it would cause a complete rumpus if they were to try that stunt.
More likely they'd fight it though the US courts, or quietly come to an arrangement.

I think a quiet arrangement. The RF certainly does not want to be dragged through the courts anywhere

This will sound harsh but I think Meghan will agree to most things to keep her title and be handed millions of $$

There is no way Charles would insist on the children being brought back to the UK away from their mother. We aren’t living in 1600.
Surely also the US would have to recognise that Charles has a right to repatriate a child on the basis of an an archaic rule based on sovereignty they don’t recognise? It would never ever happen.

Totally no way the US would recognise it. But it could well be part of Meghans reasons for not being willing to bring the kids to the UK.
It's clearly not security that worries her so it has to be something else, or she maybe just doesn't want to.

I think they havent brought them back because it would be excrutiating PR if they were in the UK and not seen by KC3. What impact would that have on their 'Princess' and 'Prince' reputation in the US and ability to monetise their titles.

Seems PH has been instructed to do the hard yards - behave himself, redeem himself etc before any reconciliation can be considered.

No one trusts either of them - they are self serving, loose cannons - they are likely to mess up again / break trust and that would be worse for the grandchildren.

Who knows why they havent taken the DGC - might be weaponising them - a trade for something - pawns in any negotiations.

There's no way that the king would exercise any rights over grandchildren who are not in the direct line. And I doubt he takes much of a role over the education, health or anything else day-to-day for the Wales DC, who do need to be brought up with age-appropriate levels of preparation for senior roles (George as monarch and the younger two with the possibility of being senior working royals).

The Spencer family aren't extras in the H&M story - they are real people, who may well have their own habits and traditions for Christmas. The "where will the Sussexes go for Christmas?" speculation is becoming an annual silly story (just as there's one in spring about summer in Balmoral). So far they have all been baseless invention, and I don't see any reason for this iteration to be any different.

I think Harry would love a Christmas at Althorp with relatives who are still kindly disposed towards him. He must be craving wider family interaction. I wonder what Christmas in Montecito is like? Him, Meghan and Doria?

But I think @Glooop has it - it would be very difficult to bring the children to the UK and not visit their Grandfather, especially at Christmas. However, PR wise it would also look bad for Charles if it seemed he was refusing to see the grandchildren so it would be quite difficult all round. In Charles' position I would be very uncomfortable with the prospect of the visit being used to bolster their royal credentials and the event and conversations being recounted and drip fed to various news outlets. Even if he said Harry but not Meghan that wouldn't go down well either and obviously there would be backlash. But they are both so untrustworthy it would be very difficult to manage.

Not sure there would be much bonhomie at Althorp - as Charles Spencer is NC with at least two of his adult children and has just crashed out of his 3rd/4th marriage/engagement.

Who knows how they do Christmas at Althorp. Maybe the sisters and various of their children and wider relatives descend in the same way the Royals do at Sandringham. But with a succession of wives Christmas traditions have probably varied over the years. Maybe this year it's down to Charles and he's drawing up the guest list. Though it's true he doesn't seem a very family orientated sort of person, what with not attending the weddings of two of his daughters. 🤷‍♀️

Maybe Charles S is desperate for a bit of company?


You reap what you sow....

@Glooop I think you might have nailed it that H has been told to be on his best behaviour before they'll talk.

Yes it all becomes very awkward and difficult if H was in the UK for Christmas and didn't spend it with his Dad.

I think it's all a big game of dare.
Meg would jump at the chance of Christmas at Sandringham. But we all know that's never going to happen.

Will H dig his heels in and say he's having Christmas with the kids and Uncle Charles?

Meg would jump at the chance of Christmas at Sandringham

Would she, though? She went there in 2017, before they were married and in 2018 when she was pregnant with Archie but then they went to Canada and have never been again. They have an open invitation to Balmoral and never go

Maybe if Christmas was spent in Windsor (an actual castle) or Buckingham Palace they might go for the photo opportunities 🤷‍♀️

I suspect he’s not that close to the rest of the Royal family either, he could be using Harry as a V sign to them?

I think she would absolutely jump at the chance to have Christmas with the King. But no way will William or Charles have it.

I don't think they still have an open invitation to Balmoral either.

I think the last time they were invited to Balmoral was before MHQ passed away. But they (Meghan) wanted MHQ to themselves not when the rest of the GGC were going to be there.

Tbf, if you invite someone somewhere every year and they never come, you eventually stop asking 😂

There is no way Charles would insist on the children being brought back to the UK away from their mother. We aren’t living in 1600

Exactly - and it's not as if they're so close to the throne that they'd have much of a role here

Also never mind court cases; the "they've stolen my children" armageddon Meghan could unleash doesn't bear thinking about, and why would the RF risk that for children they don't even know?

Wonder if Harry is home yet ?

Usually the pics from LAX come out when he’s arrived back- but the clandestine trip to the UK for the funeral, he wasn’t papped at all. So we may not know…until he tells People

Charles S likely would - but aligning with him might well backfire on PH if he was trying to reconcile with KC3.

Also what sort of man is not invited to two of his daughters weddings and has had 3/4 failed marriages....

I think it's more likely Harry than Charles S giving a V to the Royal Family.
I'd have thought Meghan would jump at the chance to stay at Althorp and capitalise on contact with Diana's relatives, establishing the historic connections of her little Prince and Princess.
It's probably just idle gossip anyway, as pp said, every Christmas there's a "will they/won't they" go to Sandringham which is never going to happen, but now there's a new angle.
However if there really is an invitation and they did go then it will be very difficult for King Charles - it would look very churlish if his Grandchildren he has barely seen would be staying a mere 2 hour drive away over Christmas and not make an effort to see them. And indeed he may wish to see them, as a Grandfather. But from the point of view of the monarchy, and managing H&M, there will surely be a reluctance to give them any chance to capitalise on Royal contact, or to worm their way back into the fold.
A simple invite to afternoon tea on Boxing Day is anything but simple. W&C could easily absent themselves, staying at Anmer, perhaps with guests from the Middleton family. What of the other Royals - would they stay out extra long on the Boxing Day shoot and leave C&C to it? Or if they have to make a show of manners and stay, children included, well then, H&M are right back in there.

Then there is the issue of privacy and security. Would the invitation come with a warning that no mobile phones allowed? How to police that politely? Get security to check them over?????
A condition that there would be no photography except by a palace approved person? Camilla ❌, random footman❌, Johnny in his kilt ✅
Photos shared strictly for private family mementos only? What will the palace do when the photos make their way into the public sphere - maybe accidentally left in prime position on Meghan's desk at the next photo shoot "Oh, so sorry I forgot".
In the unlikely event they tried to impose a NDA (or an informal privacy agreement) on all conversations and details of the occasion, and in the unlikely event H&M agreed, what could the palace do when the NDA was ignored and all the details found their way into People magazine via five friends - "Oh so sorry, I was just chatting with my friends, I had no idea they would be so naughty and sell the story to People magazine".
There's just no way to control them.

It would definitely be a heads you lose, tails you lose situation for the King, with H&M able to sell at least a chapter of whinge whatever way the coin fell.

A condition that there would be no photography except by a palace approved person? Camilla ❌, random footman❌, Johnny in his kilt ✅

This made me laugh so much @ShamedBySiri thank you!

I have a mental image of them arriving at Sandringham just before the Kings Speech is recorded, Meghan removing all the usual background photos of family and surreptiously replacing them with a massive portrait of her, in the hopes it won't be noticed before broadcast.

Or maybe elbowing the vicar out of the way on Christmas Day and sharing word salad about her sufferings, interspersed with references to the Proctor and Gamble letter.

Is all this chat about them being in the UK for Christmas just speculation? Is it just a rumour that's grown legs?