Harry’s anxiety in NY

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What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

Absolutely. I completely agree.

@MummyJ12 - think MN calls that whataboutary - but on this thread we're talking about something else

the late Queen being huffy with a portrait photographer

That was retracted by the BBC and apologised for. Because it's completely inaccurate. The photographer has given many, many interviews about what really happened.

BBC apologizes to Queen, Leibovitz for misleading promo | CBC News

Definitely @FloofPaws and it’s absolutely shocking.

The levels these posters will lower themselves to in order to excuse and justify the behaviour of both Meghan and Harry is astonishing.

@SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun I agree, unlike most 40-year-olds, he’s not used to having to go it alone. Until 2020, he had the Palace coordinating everything, now his wife accompanies him to most events.

I think it’s good that he’s doing more independently though and he can learn from more polished speakers. No one’s going to create roles for him now, he needs to find them himself.

None of that is about Kate, come on now.

@Inliverpoollater23

Prince Philip/the late Queen/Princess Anne/Charles aren't who you called a "mean girl" though are they. It was Kate.

"No idea about the racism but I can imagine Kate PA asking about the colour of the baby. Always struck me as a bit of a Mean Girl"

Citing examples such as Charles getting wound up about a pen when he'd just lost his mother and the Queen being exasperated with Annie Leibowitz are in no way the same as multiple staff (in the US as well as the UK, btw) alleging serious bullying by their employer.

Sorry but you can’t possibly know that “daily, relentless harassment and humiliation” took place! Where has that been proven?

They are all as bad as one another!

Remember that BP staff have had to go on strike to get better pay. What is worse; some occasional verbal disputes or ongoing exploitation?

Or is ongoing wage exploitation of your staff while being frightfully polite to them any better?

I am not trying to justify anyone’s bullying. That’s the point of my post.

But the argument that H & M = all bad, and the RF = all good, is utterly ludicrous imho!

What strike? There was a ballot in 2014 (?) but no strike ensued.

The strikes in 2019 were Beefeaters icw pensions. Yes they are Criwn servants, but the Tower is run completely separately to the Palaces

Good job no-one is making that point then

I I know there are posters who are determined to see it through that prism, but the idea that there are camps of posters insisting that the RF is perfect is ludicrous.

Noticing and rejecting what-about-ery (and correcting the worst mistakes in it) is nothing whatsoever to do with thinking someone else is perfect.

It does however mean that we don’t see that that actions of others let Harry off the hook

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Exactly.

FWIW, I would cringe if someone asked to borrow my lip gloss and put their finger on it. It’s a bit intimate and not something I would normally do. Yet Kate shared her lip gloss when asked, and didn’t complain. But then Meghan’s husband publishes this incident in a book, suggesting Kate’s facial expression wasn’t sweet and kind enough when the lip gloss was shared!! I think Harry is the mean girl here, possibly egged on by Meghan.

Oh, and Harry has the audacity to carry on about mental health and the toxic media, while publishing this drivel! Surely the nasty insinuation that Kate was somehow standoffish for not taking joy in sharing lip gloss potentially was damaging to Kate’s health! And doesn’t this make Harry the embodiment of toxic media!

You clearly haven’t had a friend, son or daughter who have experienced bullying. Or been a victim yourself as you would recognise the signs and you certainly wouldn’t be minimising this with “they’re all as bad as each other!” For goodness sake.
To my knowledge there has never before been an independent inquiry into bullying of Palace staff until the investigation into the allegations against Meghan (and Harry).
Do you not believe what the sources say that have come out and spoke of their experiences?
You’re of course trying to justify the bullying. Or even denying that it happened which is even worse. You don’t know the difference between bad manners, and people being impatient and rude and the relentless, daily onslaught that is endured when bullying happens. You are not entitled to these people writing signed statements to back up their claims. They need us to believe them as they are victims and it’s been bad enough for them to give up well paid jobs because they can’t cope with it anymore. That’s all the evidence that I need.

What's all this about a lipgloss anyway, it's really common that people don't want to share make up, that's a good way to pick up all sorts like herpes, conjunctivitis to name 2 ... I wouldn't want to share either 🤢

@Inliverpoollater23 - she's a bully, it's come from both sides of the pond - she's also a proven liar- in the courts no less ... proven liar, bully ... you literally can't take anything she says seriously, once a liar and bully, always a liar and bully I'm afraid
And that garbage about Harry 'finding her sobbing on the floor' ... ffs ... sounds like dreadful acting - who lays on the floor sobbing after cross words ... who ever started/ended it 😵‍💫

Wonder how many mumsnetters have lied in their life...I mean it's pretty hard to find someone who has never lied in their life. So I guess once a liar always a liar holds true for everyone who has ever lied

... and of course, Meghan always tells the truth...

I think, Spectr8, the difference is that if we lie it's usually to spare someone's feelings - so a white lie - or at the very worst it'll be a lie that doesn't hurt others.

And certainly, if we were talking to the whole world via Oprah, we would stick meticulously to the truth!

But it takes a special sort of person to lie on a sworn affidavit. That's a special sort of lie thst deserves a special sort of opprobrium.
Spelling edits.

A lie is a lie though. Doesn't matter what the intention is, end of the day lying is to protect yourself first and foremost from potential reaction of telling the other person the truth. You can tell yourself it doesn't hurt the other person but honesty is a core value of any relationship...so lying no matter how small or big is more hurtful because you are not upholding the values your relationship with that person is based upon.

Quite bizarre that PH can stand up at a conf in NY to talk about online bullying and what he and MM are doing to prevent it ..... but persistent and consistent face to face bullying, in print bullying to a global audience (for $$$$$) and smearing of dozens of friends, family and colleagues on both sides of the Atlantic is acceptable?

There is a huge difference between me telling my DS that Santa is real and going on Oprah and telling the world things that are so very damaging to family