Harry’s anxiety in NY

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What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

She'll need deep pockets Angelina Jolie has found lawyers in USA are v expensive.

Harry's PR is a bit overkill at the moment and I suspect it will all come collapsing down, its just not genuine. He can't extricate himself from the drama of the last few years and the recent PR failures are still very close in the rearview mirror.

While his PR are placing these articles, the general public don't appear to be falling for it at all, Harry has shown us who he is, with his abuse of his family and his concern only for his and his wifes image.

A genuine humanitarian and philanthropist would be facing down the ongoing violence carried out by employees of African Parks, passing the hot potato in the way he did is another example of how he is nothing more than a PR puppet.

He could have highlighted the horrors and oppression being inflicted on minorities in Nigeria and Colombia, rather than being feted by corrupt regimes and crooks, and accepting Royal titles from felons, it all beggars belief, even if it appears quite obvious Harry did not want to be on either of those trips, he still went along with it and not one acknowledgment of the atrocities being carried out in the countries they visited.

Go and read Angelina Jolie instagram post on the atrocities in Sudan, for all her faults, that is how a humanitarian responds..

Is that not forelock-tugging?

I am realing struggling about what is new for PH.....all the events he has spoken at in the past week - Halo Trust, Diana Awards, African Parks, Sentebale (to come) - bar the CGI speech re Parents Network - are all stuff he used to do whilst in the RF. As is Invictus.

Difference now is he is not being paid (by RF) to do these things - so he is doing the half in without being financially supported but he hasnt achieved a sustainable income stream for the half out part?

Who is the current PR push aimed at tand why - the RF? Potential investors? General Public?

I think that the problem that the Sussexes have always had is that they don’t have any sort of long (or even short) term strategy. The quasi royal tours haven’t really achieved anything so the latest idea seems to be to reintroduce Harry as a royal sort of statesman without any idea at all of why they should do this or what the endgame is. And then they throw in a sprinkling of “Harry the jolly japer” on the Halloween fright show. It just seems to be typical of their scattergun approach to everything 🤷‍♀️

@smilesy - yes I forgot to mention that JF thing - totally incongruous to the seemingly 'stateman' image. Who is that for? The US public - so investors see his profile raised and more positive for potential consumer brand deals?

Do you think the Megan expose was just a coincidence to their new strategy of separate brands?

I don't think he is himself in possession of millions. Fergie and Diana didn't get millions in their divorce settlements.

@Lampzade No one wants him back in the UK so I’m not sure who’s salivating at the thought of it, Americans perhaps but that’s understandable.

@ThePoshUns Diana got £17m and £400,000 per year.

Just meaningless words really. We got this, we’ve got you, just keep being you etc. And all the cheering to it, it’s fascinating how easily people acquire a cultish mentality (those particularly weird Trump supporters are a good example too).

l can’t imagine that Harry would deliberately brief against his wife. I’m not sure what is to be achieved by exposing Meghan as a bully, so I think it’s coincidence. And given that they don’t have any strategy, just isolated ideas, I don’t think that separate brands is what they are necessarily aiming to achieve. It’s just that the royal thing is all that seems likely to gain them anything at all. Quite what this would mean in practice is unclear and I suspect they haven’t actually thought that far

@smilesy thats also my gut instinct. I think though that PH doing his stuff solo and trying to be 'more' Royal is an attempt to then bolster their other commercial potential - and MM involvement is now seen as a distraction from the 'royal' bit?

Harry is a British National,
Archie was born in the UK. He will also be a British National.

Lili was Born in the US? She might be able to claim British Nationality too.

I can't remember the difference between Nationality and Citizen. I think you can claim / aquire Citizenship but your born with Nationality.

I think to join the Military and for some security jobs you need to be a National rather than Citizen.

You can't talk for everyone. I'm sure Charles would like to see his family reunited.
I certainly don't think H is happy in the US. And he wants somewhere back in the UK. I think some friends might rebuild relationship with him but not Meghan

As mother of a future King , Diana received a lot more than Sarah who received enough to buy a house plus a small ( by Royal standards) lump sum .
I don’t wish a split of H and M as there are young children but if they do , I reckon there will be some very hard negotiations. Meghan likes money so may well agree to silence in return for millions . Pretty sure she will want to cling on to her title .
Remember the Palace has the bullying report and there have long been rumours about M’s life pre Harry which she wouldn’t want to come out. It’s unrealistic to think the Security Services didn’t do some digging .

Very little coverage of Harry at the Well Child Awards. That's odd. Maybe the press are bored with these visits now? It's all a bit odd - Harry creeping into the UK to give awards. It's like going back to a place you used to work at and pretending you still do.

I'm certainly no fan of either of them following their ghastly behaviour, but I do think it's rather unnecessary to be discussing their separation, divorce, who Meghan will be with etc.

Yes it's unusual for PH to be doing solo events, but considering they're in a bit of a hole as to where they go from here onwards, it just seems like more flaying around trying to find something that works and rebuilding on the element of PH the royal brand. She may also be taking a bit of a backseat until all the current negative "Duchess difficult" blows over.

Lili was Born in the US? She might be able to claim British Nationality too.

She can claim British citizenship from her Dad - or should be able to it goes down one generation.

Though you are right there is a difference between Nationality and citizenship - than main one being nationality still has immigration rules applied.

https://immigrationlawyers-london.com/blog/british-nationality-vs-british-citizenship.php
The other four types of British nationality do not come with full right of abode. According to the British Nationality Act 1948, the four different types of British nationality are as follows:

• British overseas territories citizen
• British overseas citizen
• British subject
• British national (overseas)
• British protected person

... British citizenship As a British citizen, you will have the right of abode in the UK, allowing you to remain here, work, study and access the NHS at no cost for the rest of your life. Crucially, you will be free of immigration control, and you can apply for a British passport.

It just smacked of desperation.

It's all just so awkward and strange. It must be so far from the global power couple that they envisaged being by this point.

That's it exactly. Like he's trying to rebuild his profile in the UK.

Doing this kind of stuff that he clearly enjoys would be a whole lot easier for him as a working royal with the support network behind him.

He was at the right level before he met Meghan. Doing his own stuff on a small scale and being managed very carefully in every way by the Palace team. He became a loose canon once he stepped up to doing things he couldn't really cope with, with a wife who wasn't interested in serving anyone but herself.

I hope he does rebuild his profile in the UK.

He can’t win on these threads.

If he flew in all guns blazing, then he would be accused of trying to steal the thunder from the RF and setting up a rival camp etc.

And if he comes in low key for an excellent cause, which many people on these threads have been saying for ages that he should do, it’s called odd, awkward and strange!

Ah yes. Can we play “loose cannon” bingo please?

I love how the very same vocabulary that was used by the establishment and friends of KC to undermine Diana, is being used in exactly the same way to discredit Harry on here.

”Loose canon” in reality just means refusing to conform to what the Royal Family wants you to do to maintain the credibility and survival of the institution at all costs.

Well yes. It’s like any family business, you need to be part of the team and build on past successes whilst avoiding failure. Everyone needs to be working towards a common goal with agreed terms and conditions.