Harry’s anxiety in NY

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What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

What Meghan wants , Meghan gets

If they split (and I don't think they will, officially) then H knows he'll need to be very careful throwing mud at her as she'll have plenty of her own to chuck at him and the RF (the truth or her truth, who knows). I'm sure there would be some very expensive legal teams working round the clock to ensure they become Mr and Ms Zippy for perpetuity.

Apparently she was overheard saying to Harry she had had enough and wanted to leave. Whether this is true or not I don’t know.

Maybe that was the trigger who knows but they are definitely manged/swept out of the party very quickly and efficiently.

It does speak of lack of understand and preparation from them both again. The garden parties are big because it's not just the people they talk to but the ripple effect of good will in invitee circles. I can see that being less a thing is a huge country like USA but they must have tried to brief her about it and Harry should have been aware.

I don't doubt that MM told PH she was having ideation.

None of us know what was in her head whether it was a fleeting intrusive thought or whether she had planned and take some actions towards an actual method of ending her life.

That was for PH (as a 'first responder' his words) to explore in the moment to assess risk and then to engage the appropriate professionals to support her.

She would have had an existing private medical team on tap caring for her ante-nataly where assessment of mood is standard practice. Or they had the access, resources, time and contacts to reach out for psychiatric or psycotherapeutic support.

The only question that remains is not to get hung up with what was or wasnt in her head - but what was done about it by PH, herself, other colleagues who may have noticed a collapse in her mood or behaviour.

I think they are already seperated. We will see more and more of them doing their own thing, they will continue to work together on joint projects, and portray a public image, but I think they are separated.

Harry is less adept at pretending than Megan though. Look at Ruth and Eamon, they were split for ages before anyone knew, it’s quite common for celeb couples to pretend to be together for some considerable time after they split.

i think they’ve split up and they don’t want the world to know. They want to see how they can maximise being together first.

Interesting theory. I’m just thinking about the security costs of running two households, let alone all the rest of it. I always thought she would wait for him to get his latest tranche of money and then leave him. I don’t think they will be able to afford to run two households so I imagining H will want a house free owned by the RF and come back with his tail between his legs. I think he’s testing the waters.

What’s to be gained by splitting up? Harry would be separated from his children and Meghan would be merely the ex wife of Harry. Unless her star is in the ascendant (which it certainly isn’t) she’s not letting him go.

I think she’s probably just sick and tired of him.

You could be right they have already split. And that ties to him looking for a residence somewhere in the UK.

As grandchildren of the King does Charles not get final say in where the kids are raised? Which of course only works under UK law.

I'm sure they'll be some heavy lawyers bills coming soon.

After our experience with a psychiatrist I can well believe wool can be pulled over eyes very easily. Dd, who is 16 and petrified of any medical professionals, managed to convince a psychiatrist she is well when she is in fact very mentally ill and suffering from (undiagnosed) anorexia. Her strategy was to intimidate the female psychiatrist, who is probably used to working with children, who if they aren’t forthcoming either refuse to engage or are very subdued. This is what dd was like the last time she met dd but she’s now at the stage of refeeding. And it worked. The idiotic woman put a bomb in my relationship with dd at the same time and gave dd permission not to eat. Over a month later, I’m still trying to mitigate the damage.

Harry is less adept at pretending than Megan though. Look at Ruth and Eamon, they were split for ages before anyone knew, it’s quite common for celeb couples to pretend to be together for some considerable time after they split.

I think their set up will be like Will Smith and Jada Pinkett, I’ve always thought Harry is the sad sap just like Will, putting up with behaviour most would find intolerable.

I didn't realise the African Parks event was closed to the media

Neither did I, @Thedom, but I can see why he might want to avoid awkward questions around the abuse he's chosen to say nothing about ... after all that wouldn't suit the ever diminishing image would it?

In other news I see we've got another lie creeping in on here, this time that the palace cleared Meghan of the bullying charges in their investigation when in fact they've said no such thing
Ironic that people who post things like this are so keen to demand "proof" of what others write, but perhaps they hope it'll all go unnoticed?

Agree they won’t officially split, not until they get older and less interesting to the media, once they are only on the back pages and the children are in their early teens I think then they will “consciously uncouple” no doubt we will be in for some word salad drivel when it happens.

@Mummyoflittledragon Oh, that sounds awful - when professionals not only don't help, but actually make things worse. I hope you and your daughter will come through this with time. I have a couple of close friends who are going through hell with their youngsters' mental health, and I know it's absolute torture.

The ones on the documentary seemed a) wet as floorcloths and b) intent on being seen primarily as nice, warm-hearted souls. Am I right here....? I thought clinical psychologists had to be doctors who'd specialised in psychiatry, just as other medical specialists have their areas of expertise? They weren't psycho-therapists, which I understand has a much lower entry threshold. Sorry if I'm wrong here - but these people didn't talk in the rigorous, unsentimental, scientific way I expect of doctors.

With Meghan's suicidal ideation/depression claims, it's all been said before, of course that Harry should have done a lot better. She would have had the Portland Hospital team at her disposal and, if she felt she couldn't face up to the demands of royal duties while pregnant for any reason, I'm sure it would have been simple to to get her signed off for as long as she wanted. Poor Catherine suffered with extreme pregnancy sickness and was left to rest, so I'm sure it would have been possible to get Meghan signed off with a non-specific pregnancy issue. I just cannot believe this was not possible, and if they were cross-examined by a beady-eyed barrister, it would be very interesting to hear how they wriggle out of the charges. I'm trying to imagine the conversation between them on the evening she claimed to be suicidal, and where he somehow persuaded her to dress up and attend an official event...and I can't.

Something is definitely not right there!

Not sure PH can survive without an intimate partner - for the 'grounding' and direction as much as for the ego boost/soothing, affection and sex.

What’s to be gained by splitting up?

I've no idea if they have done/will do or not, @MaturingCheeseball, and try to avoid speculating about it, but speaking more generally rather than just about H&M there are times when a situation's become so toxic that it's better ended

The usual concern with most is for the children of a marriage, but even there it can be better to have two parents involved independently rather than an atmosphere of constant friction

People don’t spilt because something is to be gained, they split as they no longer wish to be married to each other, that the situation has become intolerable, I’m surprised at the question. People split every single day.

I agree but...I'm also thinking: will both of them be content to appear celibate for this long? I can't imagine Meghan happily living a single life, nor Harry denying himself the opportunity to sleep with other women. They'd have to keep things very quiet indeed - which will be difficult once the press get a real sniff of a split.

My feeling is that Meghan will be after another relationship which can offer her status, a good lifestyle and an adoring partner, and Harry will be looking for comfort and consolation with some poor deluded woman.

Their house is big enough that they can still be under the same roof and not see much of each other. I think they’re probably sick of each other but are aware that they’ll be metaphorically ripping each other’s throats out if they split and it would get very very acrimonious. That would be too much of a hot potato even for them. I don’t think either would make good partners for other people so best they stay together.

I think they will, but they will build independent lives first, independent careers.

remember the recent rumours Harry wanted to spend more time in the uk, undertake some royal duties, but remain living in the us? when it was leaked he swiftly denied? But it came from credible sources?

I think we will see more and more of them go their own way, do things solo, and continue to act as a couple on certain things, until they feel they are on sure footing as individuals.

My feeling is that Meghan will be after another relationship which can offer her status, a good lifestyle and an adoring partner
He would need to be a real dumb cluck to take on all that baggage - can you imagine? And be stepfather to a Prince and Princess!!

@Staunchlystarling - but this is Meghan and Harry! Meghan never leaves a relationship until Mr LegUp is secured.

Good luck with that Meghan, lol. He’d have to be even sappier, and richer, than Harry. I suppose there are still some rich chinless wonders roaming around and if there are I’m sure heat seeking Meghan the Missile will find them.

😂I don’t think either would make good partners for other people so best they stay together.

So very true!

Also the shame of splitting now. After the mess they have caused. The publicity would be horrendous. So if they are now in a marriage of convenience it will to allow them time to cement their own careers, as inviduals. Before announcing they are going their seperate ways. When it would be less scandalous.