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The royal family

Harry’s anxiety in NY

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Makingwaves2 · 23/09/2024 20:13

What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

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Runnerinthenight · 27/09/2024 20:16

Spectre8 · 27/09/2024 15:39

Take away the money and privileges as you call it fundamentally knowing you were born as a spare, it doesn't matter how much someone would say i really wanted you, bottom line is he was born a spare. I don't think any amount of privilege can take away how a person would feel growing up knowing that. How would you handle if if if we're your children.

I think a life of unlimited privilege would sustain me tbh.

IsoldeWagner · 27/09/2024 20:18

Quite, @Runnerinthenight ....all that wealth, status and privilege. All those doors opened to you! No need to worry about the red boxes and meeting the PM etc.

Runnerinthenight · 27/09/2024 20:21

Spectre8 · 27/09/2024 16:17

I never said working hard equates to a 9-5 job or certain hours. Why are you even bringing teachers into it? That's just silly.

However they have staff who will organise all their travel, organise their diaries and calls, people who will brief them, people who will help them with their styling, make up, speech writers, communicatios and so on. So no it's hardly stressful unless they were doing it all themselves.

The Chief Executive of an organisation also has "staff who will organise all their travel, organise their diaries and calls, people who will brief them, people who will help them with their styling, make up, speech writers, communicatios [sic] and so on.

Do you think CEOs don't work hard?

Runnerinthenight · 27/09/2024 20:25

Spectre8 · 27/09/2024 17:14

Yes you try telling a child that and hope they understand the difference andnjust be ok with it 🙄

It shouldn't even be a 'thing'. It would be an 'understanding' from an early age. Just the way things are. Harry doesn't have the temperament or intelligence to be king, so thank god they weren't the other way round!!

Bontonbonbon · 27/09/2024 20:37

So he’s doing a tour in Lesotho on his own. Press release says beginning of October so he must be going straight from New York. Very interesting.

SqueakyDinosaur · 27/09/2024 20:40

Spectre8 · 27/09/2024 16:17

I never said working hard equates to a 9-5 job or certain hours. Why are you even bringing teachers into it? That's just silly.

However they have staff who will organise all their travel, organise their diaries and calls, people who will brief them, people who will help them with their styling, make up, speech writers, communicatios and so on. So no it's hardly stressful unless they were doing it all themselves.

I have had, in my whole life, one single day when I was in a kind of royal family position (at a ship launch). It was an amazing thing to do but it was also INCREDIBLY stressful. You are literally on show from the moment you step out of your hotel until the moment you are back there. You are aware of being photographed (which I hate anyway) and of being the centre of attention, all the time. You know that every bit of the day has been meticulously timetabled and that you need to adhere to that. And you never, ever stop smiling (as a naturally scowly person this was hard, hard work - I'm not especially grumpy, but I do have terrible RBF). I was genuinely exhausted by the end of the not-very-long day.

Norahh · 27/09/2024 20:43

Bontonbonbon · 27/09/2024 20:37

So he’s doing a tour in Lesotho on his own. Press release says beginning of October so he must be going straight from New York. Very interesting.

He is off to UK this weekend to do WellChild in London - so maybe going straight to Africa from there?

Bontonbonbon · 27/09/2024 20:48

@Norahh It does seem like. Long time not to see his family and a lot of solo trips. It might mean nothing but it is quite different from their usual pattern of behaviour. He did interviews for his book on his own but he hasn’t done this many solo outings since they got married.

BunnyLake · 27/09/2024 20:56

wordler · 26/09/2024 17:30

Miguel Head, who was William and Harry's first joint private secretary gave an interview where he was asked how the princes dealt with the barrage of negative stories and gossip that comes from the media on a rolling basis. He replied:

"They had a very healthy attitude to a lot of what was written about them, which is that they largely just completely ignored it.

So, our rule of thumb was we only commented reactively on stories if the stories were judged, in our view, to have a detrimental reputational impact. And the bar for that was quite high.

The princes took the view that they were going to be in the public eye from the moment they were born to the moment they died and with that level of interest in them, the only way of coping with that would be to detach themselves from much of what is said about them. It was actually quite liberating, because it meant that we as a team could concentrate on what we wanted to say about them.

When he talked about what the core value and operating parameters for working for the royal family was:

"...the royal family are there for what we used to describe as being in “the happiness business.”

We’re there to celebrate success and to put a spotlight on people who have done great things.

That can be as a caregiver or someone’s who campaigned for a sports hall in their town or it can be a Nobel Prize laureate. It can be anything in between all of those things. The royal family takes great delight and spends a lot of time searching out those things to celebrate them. It’s probably the biggest guide for when we were looking how to fill the program, that was the thing by which we operated."

And that in a nutshell is one of Harry and Meghan's biggest mistakes - they react to every little slight or negative opinion about themselves, and they have done the opposite of being in 'the happiness business' - all the whining, complaining, explaining why everyone around them is so horrible to them etc.

They come across as oversensitive, negative people - not characteristics anyone is rushing to work with.

Never explain never complain would have stood them in great stead had they followed that mantra from day one of their ‘freedom’. Instead they incessantly complain and explain, and it’s not a good look.

Bachboo · 27/09/2024 21:18

Spectre8 · 27/09/2024 17:14

Yes you try telling a child that and hope they understand the difference andnjust be ok with it 🙄

You are far to invested in someone you don’t know

Makingwaves2 · 27/09/2024 21:22

Norahh · 27/09/2024 11:18

I think the private wedding nonsense was subconsciously yet another one of her moves to emotionally isolate PH from others (in this case the British public and his Royal status) - she wanted to pivot his attention to focus 100% on her.

Absolutely this. Everything has been done to isolate him and make him distrust his family and all those he trusted before she came on the scene. He’s been brainwashed.

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Spectre8 · 27/09/2024 21:22

Bachboo · 27/09/2024 21:18

You are far to invested in someone you don’t know

Hahahahah seriously I'm not on here everyday posting like lots of other posters, i dont even start any threads. Maybe the past few days cos I've been travelling and killing time but otherwise not.

Thanks for the laugh. Think you should say that to the more regular posters on here 😆

Needanewname42 · 27/09/2024 21:37

Bontonbonbon · 27/09/2024 20:48

@Norahh It does seem like. Long time not to see his family and a lot of solo trips. It might mean nothing but it is quite different from their usual pattern of behaviour. He did interviews for his book on his own but he hasn’t done this many solo outings since they got married.

Very different from there usual pattern. Plus the story he was on a lads holiday for his 40th.

There is a tale he might have met up with Auntie Sarah in NY too.

StartupRepair · 27/09/2024 21:55

I think the whole 'spare' thing is incredibly insulting to the great love and delight both his parents clearly had in him. Diana did not have him just to be an organ donor for his brother.
Harry's world was full of spares. Half his friends at Eton were probably the younger brother of aristocratic families with massive estates. This is the world he lived in.

Staunchlystarling · 27/09/2024 21:59

StartupRepair · 27/09/2024 21:55

I think the whole 'spare' thing is incredibly insulting to the great love and delight both his parents clearly had in him. Diana did not have him just to be an organ donor for his brother.
Harry's world was full of spares. Half his friends at Eton were probably the younger brother of aristocratic families with massive estates. This is the world he lived in.

That’s fair, you’re right, I can’t imagine how hurtful it’s been to Charles.

Needanewname42 · 27/09/2024 22:00

Makingwaves2 · 27/09/2024 21:22

Absolutely this. Everything has been done to isolate him and make him distrust his family and all those he trusted before she came on the scene. He’s been brainwashed.

Yip he's been isolated from everyone. Which also makes it hard to reach out for help.

Could you imagine if he was posting on the Relationship board on here.

My family paid for a big posh wedding....then after it she said she didn't want it the rehearsal was better.
We both had easy jobs in the family business but she wasn't happy so we left to be near her family in the states.
Her Dad, and Sisters are no where to be seen, we hardly she her Mum, the business venture hasn't worked out. Lots of tension and friction in the house.
I have been isolated from my family and friends. My Dad is also ill and I've hardly seen him.

He'd have been given a LTB very sharpish.

Rhaidimiddim · 27/09/2024 22:02

Bachboo · 27/09/2024 21:18

You are far to invested in someone you don’t know

😄

ShamedBySiri · 27/09/2024 22:09

StartupRepair · 27/09/2024 21:55

I think the whole 'spare' thing is incredibly insulting to the great love and delight both his parents clearly had in him. Diana did not have him just to be an organ donor for his brother.
Harry's world was full of spares. Half his friends at Eton were probably the younger brother of aristocratic families with massive estates. This is the world he lived in.

This is true. My B-I-L is a younger son. Both sons went to Eton. The eldest inherited a huge estate, coastline, private beach, small village. He got a house on the estate for holidays, as did their sister.
It's called Primogeniture.
Cope.

BunnyLake · 27/09/2024 22:51

Bontonbonbon · 27/09/2024 20:37

So he’s doing a tour in Lesotho on his own. Press release says beginning of October so he must be going straight from New York. Very interesting.

Seems he could be finding reasons to stay away from Montecito for a while. NY, Well Child in UK, Lesotho. That’s quite a schedule.

MissRoseDurward · 27/09/2024 22:55

So he’s doing a tour in Lesotho on his own. Press release says beginning of October so he must be going straight from New York. Very interesting.

Lesotho does actually make some sense, as it's where Sentebale was founded. Assume it's at the invitation/with the agreement of Prince Seeiso, the co-founder, who is someone H has known for a long time. Seeiso and his wife were at H&M's wedding. (Perhaps Seeiso said 'you can come, but don't bring her.')

(Seeiso is a prince, like Harry, but has a far more impressive list of achievements.)

Rhaidimiddim · 27/09/2024 23:13

BunnyLake · 27/09/2024 22:51

Seems he could be finding reasons to stay away from Montecito for a while. NY, Well Child in UK, Lesotho. That’s quite a schedule.

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Such a good parent!

Needanewname42 · 27/09/2024 23:21

Rhaidimiddim · 27/09/2024 23:13

Such a good parent!

He might be trying to escape a load of tension and arguments in the house.
That's not great for kids either.

friendlycat · 27/09/2024 23:25

StartupRepair · 27/09/2024 21:55

I think the whole 'spare' thing is incredibly insulting to the great love and delight both his parents clearly had in him. Diana did not have him just to be an organ donor for his brother.
Harry's world was full of spares. Half his friends at Eton were probably the younger brother of aristocratic families with massive estates. This is the world he lived in.

This is such a valid point. I don’t for one moment think that either Charles or Diana thought him as a spare. They loved their son for him. It’s just hereditary lineage.

Also agree in the aristocratic world that let’s face it Harry’s well aware of and was born into, he’s also fully understanding of how it works for his “mates” who are going to be heirs and not of the family estate.

It’s operated like this for centuries. So nothing new either here or abroad.

Rhaidimiddim · 27/09/2024 23:55

Needanewname42 · 27/09/2024 23:21

He might be trying to escape a load of tension and arguments in the house.
That's not great for kids either.

Leaving them with a narc bully. That's not great for kids either. Christ, what has he done !

meercat23 · 27/09/2024 23:57

friendlycat · 27/09/2024 23:25

This is such a valid point. I don’t for one moment think that either Charles or Diana thought him as a spare. They loved their son for him. It’s just hereditary lineage.

Also agree in the aristocratic world that let’s face it Harry’s well aware of and was born into, he’s also fully understanding of how it works for his “mates” who are going to be heirs and not of the family estate.

It’s operated like this for centuries. So nothing new either here or abroad.

I do agree with this but I do also think that within the RF their is that extra dimension of preparing the heir not just to take over an estate but to become monarch. That involves educating about the constitution, protocol, responsibilities and duties that will not apply to other siblings.

Princess Margaret complained that she had never been educated while of course HMQEII received constitutional tuition from history specialists. Prince William was reportedly treated differently by the Queen Mother and so on and so on.

I don't find it surprising if some of that stings. On the other hand, by the time the siblings are adult you would hope that they could see that there are advantages and disadvantages for both heirs and 'spares'.

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