Harry’s anxiety in NY

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What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

It was always one sausage short of being enough though @friendlycat 🤦‍♀️

'I don't think she is wrong to say for her thats when she felt she had got married.'

But she didn't say that's when she 'felt' she got married. She said that was when they GOT married. I'm sure no one would have begrudged her saying and feeling, oh we had a few quiet moments to ourselves (but also with the ABC 😁), just exchanging a few important personal words, and I actually really felt married from then, but she didn't, she shat on the beautiful expensive ceremony that they had wanted, and had been planned for them, shat on the thousands of well wishers who'd made the effort to come out and cheer them on. They could have been married really quietly and privately - pretty sure HMQ would have been fine with that, but Harry and Meghan didn't want it (they wanted St Paul's, remember). They wanted what William and Kate had. Or bigger and better.

But they had the Commonwealth - President and Vice President of The Queen's Commonwealth Trust. Given how important the Commonwealth was to the late Queen, giving them this role was a tremendous compliment and statement of faith in them, which they threw back in her face.

Always worth noting that while they were QCT top dogs the charity spent what it raised on staff salaries and they were allowed to promote BetterUp on its website.

Latent grifting evident even then.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/19/queen-commonwealth-trust-prince-harry

I wouldn't bother @Bachboo
That poster ties themselves in all sorts of knots trying to defend Meghan.

It's simply dishonest to suggest that Meghan was making a distinction between religious and legal aspects of marriage when she wasn't. But maybe it's to be expected. Meghan is dishonest about the wedding and Meghan's followers are dishonest about her lies.

I just wonder how this is all going to pan out in say 5 or 10 years time.

I think they'll end in divorce. He doesn't seem happy. And yes he must be missing the support being part of the Firm gives him.

Which will end in 2 ways Harry going completely off the rails (drink / drugs) or back as a working royal.

Charles is 70+ with cancer, his odds of becoming cancer free can't be that great, he might get a few more years but even with the best treatment available. The body still needs to be strong enough to cope with chemo etc.

William probably find it within him to make up with Harry and have him back as a working royal. If for no other reason it will help take pressure off his own kids.

Whereas now hes going to have to continually hustle and grub about for ways to top up his funds. Their lifestyle is eye-wateringly expensive, you wonder how they will ever sustain it long term, even with their many, many millions.

Oldest life lesson in the book, not knowing how good you had it until its gone. And he had it very good.

I wonder if he resents her at all, he must have some dark, doubting moments.
Sometimes I look back at my life and think I should have done this differently or I didn't make the most of that opportunity. All fairly small things thankfully. But perhaps some people don't have the self awareness to see where they didn't play their hand the best they could? I can't fathom being in your forties and still being able to tell yourself that everything that has gone wrong in your life is because of other people, I can remember thinking that way sometimes as a young teen at secondary school.

But will William ever forgive? I too just have the one younger brother, he's my only sibling and I love him dearly. I also make allowances for him as he has had struggles with addiction and mental health. But if he said things about my DH and our children to the world, on TV and in a book, I dont know if I could forgive that. My brother is one of the people I love the most in the world, but I don't have anywhere near the same love and loyalty to him as I do my spouse and children. I dont think I'd ever forgive, I'd still wish him well and I wouldn't hate him but I wouldnt want him part of my life.

Well, I think for Harry this latest approach is working well.
He's getting glowing press coverage since he's been out on his own this week.

One can only wonder how that's playing out at home.

It's been so blatant how public support has rallied for him without his wife in the narrative.

I feel as though he's a hostage on day release.
He's grabbing the opportunities and getting a realisation of the things he's missed.

But sadly I don't believe he'll go home and be congratulated by Meghan.

Sad to say cos I hate speculating about a marriage imploding, but I think she might just go nuclear and start briefing against him through 'anonymous sources' and that she'll make moves to separate.

She's in a strong position with the children so if he has any plans to spend more time in Uk she has him by the balls.

Sadly it's gonna be 'rip off the bandaid' or to watch in slow motion mental and physical demise of Harry

@Alectoishome
William has come through a really horrific year.
It must have crossed his mind he could have lost both his Dad and Wife. Leaving him on the thrown and 3 grieving kids to deal with. And a support team who are all the generation above him. I think the benefit of having Harry by his side is what will drive William to forgive.

However I don't think he would ever welcome Meghan or trust her.

I think the benefit of having Harry by his side is what will drive William to forgive.

What benefit?

And a support team who are all the generation above him. I think the benefit of having Harry by his side is what will drive William to forgive.

Or keep him the hell away as doesn't need toxicity and drama in his life and lower popularity ratings hitting wider RF family - could go either way as who know what goes on behind the scenes.

William is suppose to be close to his cousin Zara and her husband - and they haven't publicly attacked him, his wife or his father and criticized how they bring up their kids. He is also reportedly close to his IL family - including his wife siblings. So he has support as well as much more stable staffing situation that Harry and Meghan have managed.

I'm not sure about the work load/visits though - as many of his cousins don't want to be working royals -maybe they'll pick up more if needed- but either his older relatives keep on going till his kids are old enough or they will have to cut back. Though older their kids get the more I'd expect the Wales to do.

I think the private wedding nonsense was subconsciously yet another one of her moves to emotionally isolate PH from others (in this case the British public and his Royal status) - she wanted to pivot his attention to focus 100% on her.

I think the private wedding nonsense was subconsciously yet another one of her moves to emotionally isolate PH from others (in this case the British public and his Royal status) - she wanted to pivot his attention to focus 100% on her.

And a way of sticking 2 fingers up at the British public, the RF in general and William and Catherine in particular (even though she'd salivated over their wedding on her blog)- so killing no less than three birds with one stone.

And sour grapes - she couldn't be Top Princess, and isn't in line to be queen, so seeming to belittle pomp and ceremony worked for her!

Or maybe he will say I got through that tough time without my brother, he wasn't there for me when I was going through a tough time, so why do
I need him in my life, especially when he and his wife are so negative?

I think William's main priority will be the wellbeing of his wife and children, and who would let Harry anywhere near after he weaponised them all in his horrible campaign against the family? The stuff about their marriage of convenience, allowing Kate to be labelled a racist, saying she's cold and unfriendly, that they need his help to raise their children, bringing Charlotte into it all by raking up the bridesmaid dress stuff again. I don't think William will forget or forgive all that.

It must have crossed his mind he could have lost both his Dad and Wife. Leaving him on the thrown and 3 grieving kids to deal with.

This is still a possibility.

Catherine has only announced that she has finished chemo - not that she is cancer free.

Not even sure what KC3's health status is currently.

It's such a bizarre contrast and gives the impression that he will go to the opening of an empty envelope. Jimmy Fallon isn't the best of people to associate himself with either when it comes to bullying.

amp.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/08/jimmy-fallon-toxic-workplace-tonight-show-apology

Harry is deluded if he thinks that anyone will forget that. This old nonsense about life is too short - yes it is too short to put up with negative and toxic people.

Plus the RF surely wouldn't want Harry back when he is so overwhelmingly unpopular, not a good look for them imo.

Catherine said in the video her focus was remaining cancer free. She is cancer free.

He isn't a hostage. I really don't agree with the narrative that everything that has gone wrong for him is Meghan's fault.

He chose to treat his staff badly, he chose to leave the working family, he chose to do an interview and a book that breached their privacy, he has chosen to do everything he has done since he left.

Plus Harry actually knew how royalty works here. He knew the expectations and the rewards. He knew how the monarchy is structured.

This is on him, he put himself in this position and he needs to accept the consequences and find a life for himself that works for him and his family without using the family he left as clickbait.

True, but the RF play the long game at all times, and being well versed in the public's fickleness will know perfectly well that Harry's image could be swung round with a few nice pics and some very careful PR

Unfortunately for Harry though the survival of the institution comes before all else, and if it's necessary to keep him away for the sake of their own image then that's what will be done

Think what egg H would have on his face if his marriage fails?

The difference between William and other people is his whole life is his job.

He managed to have time away from the spotlight until he was mid 30s. The RF didn't desperately need him, Granny was still alive, and the 4 in the generation above him, plus some of HMQs cousins, were all working Royals.

That luxury just won't happen for Williams kids if Harry isn't there.

Yes he has support in a private sense from the Middletons etc but they aren't able to help in the Professional side of things, ie doing the Honours that Ann was doing the other day. And those sort of things that senior Royals are expected to do.

Same as with the Duke of Windsor .

www.vogue.com/article/what-happened-when-king-edward-viii-quit-the-royal-family#:~:text=Edward%20and%20Simpson%20moved%20to,payments%20from%20his%20financial%20settlement.

Yet another excellent post, MrsLF
As said so often, though there's plenty to blame Meghan for in her own right I get very tired of the urge to blame her for what she's "done" to someone who has the right to (and responsibility for) his own choices

And if he chooses not to speak up - even though it probably wouldn't end well for him - then that's his choice too