Harry’s anxiety in NY

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What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

These are very interesting especially the second one reviewing the interview on The Parents Network - Spidy is very balanced and compassionate especially to the impact on those bereaved parents sitting next to MM and the cause more broadly.

The interview was jarring and deeply insensitive because its all about MM - they should have listened to Michelle Obama all those years ago came out the morning after the Oprah interview to comment that true service is to pro-actively use your status to re-direct and shine the light on the people and the causes not allow it to sit with you.

I think that there are some fascinating You Tubers currently commenting on the royal family and H&M, with differing degrees of credibility and wit.

And I don't know if people are aware, but some of them are either here commenting on these threads, or reading them and drawing from them. I've often seen a novel idea or unusual phrase in a post on here that's popped up in a You Tube video a day or so after.

That’s interesting, Autumn!!!

Got to make some money somehow right judt like the papers fo either their click bait articles.

Why are they so skint?

We've had Netflix
Books.
Daddies money.

If you live above your means anyone of us could get into a financial mess.

I've noticed this too!

I think this is a problem with many of the people who set themselves up to deliver content (on Meghan and Harry mostly, but other Royal family members also). They start out with some original and interesting things, but then as they build their market they have to keep delivering, when they don’t necessarily have anything to say. So they end up grabbing whatever content they can get from elsewhere, and or becoming more and more outlandish in their claims in order to meet their normal output schedule.

It’s the law of diminishing returns, and not exactly edifying - Lady Colin Campbell springs to mind. Or Tom Bowers, or it seems would go on tv to comment on another comentator. Or on Celebitchy where a lack of content about the Kate means they also just comment endlessly on what other commentators are saying.

That really interesting. I don’t watch YouTube but it would make sense that those with channels would be on here. There are lots of knowledgeable posters to be found on these threads!

Seems so sad and weird - he is doing the same sort of 'Royal' events that he seemingly hated doing as a working Royal and wanted to get away from. He claims to hate the press and cameras but constantly puts himself in front of them. He seems such a fish out of water here. I think as a working royal he had that whole 'machine' around him that made these sorts of events so much easier - someone briefing him on exactly where he needed to be, what he needed to say etc. He doesn't seem to have that now and it shows.

I just feel sad for him at this point, where does he go from here. Just more and more of these pseudo Royal events ad infinitem?

Where is the money going to come from to support this vastly expensive lifestyle.

Even if the Royals did have him back, the stigma of his betrayal of his family will follow him. The parallels to his great uncle the Duke of Windsor are startling. He may too have to observe his brother's coronation from a television overseas.

William and Harry were a double act for a long time, then Kate joined in now and again depending on the subject. They gave each other a boost.

It did all go wrong with Meghan I think.

It's just such a shame. I know he is probably a bit dim and a spoilt, entitled man-child in a way. But I can't help but think that of all the women he must've met over the years, there must have been someone who would have been a happier match for him. Meghan's only asset seems to have been her attractiveness (this is only a conclusion I've come to recently, I used to presume she had a lot more going for her than that) - and attractive women are probably not hard to find in his position, so it seems he made the worst choice he could have.
I feel the same for her, obviously she wanted the money, fame and power - she probably wouldn't have been vilified for those desires at all if she'd managed to bag a Hollywood A-lister, even a B-lister. She probably would have been much happier and better suited to that, it would have satisfied her ambitions without exposing the worst of her character so much.
I think that is why they are oddly fascinating, they are such such a disastrous pairing.

Harry dated some lovely young women. Chelsea Davey was so good for him.

I do think they probably bring out the worst in each other. Before meeting each other they both seemed to have relatively normal healthy relationships with friends, family and prior partners. Neither of them have any particularly negative press or public perception.

I think this happens in life though - the most important decision you will probably ever make is who you marry and it really does set the trajectory of your adult life..

I have friends who have met 'the wrong person' and their life has spiralled out of control. Other friends who have met the 'right person' and have absolutely blossomed in the relationship. The problem is the people at the centre of it, usually can't see the 'problem' until it is far too late.

I think they both saw a benefit to marrying, they believed the hype and desperately wanted it, Harry as he was so envious of William, sick of being the spare, the thick one, wanted to be top dog, Megan just wanted to be rich and famous. They thought by marrying they’d have all that. They were going to be it.

whenit was clear William and Kate would always come first, then Megan wanted the USA and A list. And Harry went with. Not hugely willingly, a list celeb was never his bag, he isn’t star struck , he has lived his whole life famous and with huge wealth. Half in half out was a good compromise that allowed them to monetise it and be huge stars.

the fact they’ve no friggen talent put paid to that idea. As did the queen saying no. And now they are fucked.

i honesty wouldn’t be surprised if they habe split already sadly.

I'm sorry to upset you, but he's cooked his goose there. To be a working royal, you need to meet politicians (home and foreign), heads of state, diplomats, even secret service personnel.

There is no way on this planet that Harry will ever be trusted with sensitive, confidential information again.

What a fool.

MM is an arch manipulator.

She knew exactly what she wanted - the title, then to hot-foot it back to LA to trade on it to earn $$$ and be Hollywood A list. PH was just a vehicle to her long held goals.

She had Sunshine Sachs, her agent and her lawyer still all retained, brokering deals etc whilst she was still in the UK as a working member of the BRF.

She knew exactly how to hook this 'big fish' emotionally. With all her fawning and eyelash fluttering she set up the 'damsel in distress' act in need of protection and cast him as the 'protector' and 'white knight saviour' - this both triggered and puffed PH up given his background vulnerability. This was also the well trodden technique to slowly cause friction with PH's siblings, family, friends, colleagues in order to emotionally distance him from their influence.

She also played on his ego - that they were this oh so special pairing that 'together they would change the world' (her exact words to her agent following H&M first mini-break date to Africa). This again would be catnip for the 'spare' giving him a sense of purpose and a vision that he could leapfrog his brother in terms of impact and popularity.

PH was / is the classic 'useful fool'.

Events where he has to give speeches aren't great, because he doesn't have a great deal of in depth theoretical knowledge to contribute, but put him with children or veterans or on the ground like the story told about Sentebele and he makes an impact. I think if he did more hands on stuff and fewer speeches it would really help him.

Maybe next time he is called to represent his charities he could do an introduction talking about visits he has made and people he's met and then handover to someone with experience who can deliver more than platitudes.

BTW I don't think it's only Harry who should do less talking, most celebrities could do with turning the spotlight onto experts rather than showcase their rather shallow comprehension of issues they are trying to help with.

She also played on his ego - that they were this oh so special pairing that 'together they would change the world' (her exact words to her agent following H&M first mini-break date to Africa). This again would be catnip for the 'spare' giving him a sense of purpose and a vision that he could leapfrog his brother in terms of impact and popularity.

Yes, I can see this. In his head, William will be merely the British sovereign but Harry will be a global superstar. He's so attracted to that word, isn't he - global? He has to have a global press secretary, be involved with the 'global' Aspen Institute, approve of Invictus breaking away from its NATO roots and going global, global tours, global comms, global patronages, global impact.

Was Harry good for her, I ask myself.

i think his ex's kmow a lot. it was always played they didnt wish to be in tne public eye, but chelsea was very clear, it ended as he joined the army and effectively ghosted her, going months and months without contact, wnen he was happily contacting others. Apparently he thought she’d just wait years.

cressida i tnink is just too sensible. she was older snd i suspect its because of his whinging enttiled, envious ways.

I'm sorry - I haven't got a link for this (I know MN likes evidence!) but I do remember reading about Cressida's experience with Harry. The gist was that, far from being every young woman's dream engagement, he was frequently grumpy, sulky, uncommunicative and wanted to stay in playing video games etc. Not great in a newish relationship! She said he was extremely unromantic.

I can't supply the source of that, but it stuck in my mind because it was so different to the image of 'fun Harry' which prevailed at the time.

Yes, I can see this. In his head, William will be merely the British sovereign but Harry will be a global superstar. He's so attracted to that word, isn't he - global?

I expect he imagined convening super-influential global conferences and tackling big global problems with important global leaders in various fields, while William begged to be involved and he refused 🤦‍♀️

And with Meghan at his side in $$$ outfits they would be hobnobbing with the Obamas, the Clintons, the Clooneys while W+K were stuck hosting whichever unfashionable head of state the FO fancied on a smaller budget. They probably both imagined presenting Oscars, Emmys, the Palme d'Or, winning a Nobel prize, Presidential Medal of Freedom, honorary degrees all over the place. But it hasn't quite turned out like that. It would be amazing to me if they didn't realise they don't have what it takes to achieve on a par with the Obamas or the Clintons or the Clooneys.

cressida i tnink is just too sensible. she was older snd i suspect its because of his whinging enttiled, envious ways.

He also cheated on Cressida extremely publicly when caught naked with a load of women in Vegas.

Plus was rumoured to be stingy, which is not an attractive characteristic,

Didn’t Cressida say that Harry wanted her to accompany him somewhere but she had to pay for her own flight ?

I actually think you’re right and that is what they thought.