Harry’s anxiety in NY

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What to make of the fact that he appeared without Meghan and looked quite anxious and stressed?

I don’t believe the fake bump stories. Meghan had that classic pregnancy look and weight gain so similar to my own.

Yes the fake pregnancy stuff is on another level.

I interpret the judge saying “This is the type of information that a person would ordinarily not wish to make known about himself” as an acknowledgement of the media's interest in Harry's life.

Eg imagine you had an 18 year old son who went to Amsterdam and got completely stoned, as they do. A year later he wants to apply for a US visa and the form asks whether he has ever used drugs. "Well there was Amsterdam . . ." he says. "Don't mention that!" you would exclaim. But Harry has not got that option for a lot of his youthful indiscretions as they were all over the papers. Of course writing about them in his book was unwise . . .

But I think the Judge realises that most people are able to present their "best self" on these forms and Harry is not necessarily as able to do this as stuff like nazi uniform etc is all out there. I suspect there were a lot of horrendously inappropriate costumes at that party and most of the others have got away with it.

Never thought I would be defending Harry!

The YouTube channel is the Behavior Panel. 2 of the guys on it are ex-US military interrogators. Their analysis of Prince Andrew's Newsnight interview is also excellent.

Oh I may watch their take on the Prince Andrew interview. Currently watching the Amazon one. Though I think preferred the NF one.

You have a point, however he seems to feel entitled to more privacy than those people he wrote about in Spare…..He completely eroded their privacy without a second thought.

The behaviour panel is great.

That's the name! Thanks. I watched their video on the Oprah interview and thought it was very fair. They don't take every twitch and exaggerate its meaning and they don't seem to have an agenda. Plus I think having 4 of them brings balance.

That's a really good point. I do think Harry is entitled to privacy. I just wish he'd respect that others have the same right!

Well if everyone is so keen on being morally upstanding and “calling out” bullying and asking H & M to berate some members of the Sussex Squad for making unacceptable comments, why does no one on here upbraid the posters speculating about Meghan’s pregnancies? Bit of a double standard isn’t it? Whatever you think of Meghan, I think it’s plain nasty.

Lots of people have said it’s wrong to say that sort of thing and that they don’t believe that it’s true. Some have “berated” posters as well. Most posters just ignore it now because we have been there and done that. Sometimes “push back” just perpetuates an argument. There are a few people who could learn that 😆

I completely agree with you on the pregnancy speculation. It is absolutely vile. I won’t usually engage in any discussion about it. I know many of us on here are on the same page too.

Exactly, there was a poster who started one of those pregnancy threads and who got totally blasted by EVERYONE on the RF board, the poster apologised and requested her thread be removed.

There are no pregnancy speculation on this board and if anyone does, it get's very short shrift and gets reported and removed.

The double standards don't just stop at the pregnancy speculation. Plenty on here speculate about their marriage coming to and end and not lasting, yet when there have been comments about that of other royal marriages it's met with how can you be nasty and vile to speculate about someone's marriage.

This is why this board is more like ane cho chamber because anyone who dars to be more balanced or not toe the line gets piled on and then they wonder why some neber come back and post 🙄

Until fairly recently, there were certain rumours about MM that MNHQ would delete any mention of. Even if it was only a few words in a long and sensible post or a post which dragged them up again only to deplore it (oh the irony!)

Anything to do with rumours of surrogacy was one of those themes. Obviously I'm not going to drag up the dirt by mentioning the others, but I do remember others that would invariably be deleted.

I stopped reporting when it became clear that MNHQ had decided the genie was too far out of the bottle and the bare mention of the rumours was not automatic deletion. But of course depending on what was posted, it might yet be in zapping territory. So if you see something that you thing goes too far, it's still worth reporting.

On this thread, the mention of the surrogacy rumours has led to numerous and sensibly-reasoned posts why they just do not ring true.

I think the surrogacy rumours are horrible, and stupid.
I think commenting about any of the children shouldn't happen.
And I think speculating about the state of someone's marriage (especially as it sometimes comes across as gleeful wishing for the marriages to break down) shouldn't happen either.

All of that is hurtful, baseless, and really not OK.

Talking about people's actions, bad decisions, and hypocrisy is perfectly OK, and not bullying, hating, or any of the other terms that get thrown around to deflect.

Yes, they are good... and so is "The Behavioral Arts" - have a look here

there are others too... this person brings together the body language and the words...

I think he says his name is Spidey - at least that's what I'm hearing. His analysis seems to me to be balanced and astute.

Yes. Very much agree. That’s it in a nutshell.

But, H has already owned his youthful behaviour, and even seems to think of it as characterful and entertaining rather than embarrassing. Even the borderline illegal stuff involving drugs and physically assaulting staff is all there in Spare.

Which implies that the judge seen something more egregious than the sort of youthful discretions that ordinary people might cross their fingers and lie about.

The question people in US publications I've read are asking about this redaction is, is this something that he would be really embarrassed about coming out but can't lie about either on a Visa application because it is on record with the authorities whom US DoH officials would consult?

and this is one of my favourites. The speaker is an ace at understanding and explaining Meghan's communication style.

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It gets particularly interesting about 10 mins in, when he goes through one of Meghan's rambling answers to a question. He says she basically has at her disposal a number of "scripts" that she is comfortable with and likes delivering - eg the Fairy Liquid script. When she is asked a question she tries to knit together a number of different scripts, often desperately looking for "bridges" to join the scripts together. It would certainly explain why she rarely seems to actually answer a question clearly. At one point he explains she accidentally engaged the wrong script in response to a question about the online bullying she had been subjected to, segueing into one of her favourite lines about her mammalian instincts spurring her on to protect her children... only the question was not about her children - she seems to catch herself quite quickly and tries to get back on track by tacking on "and as a result, protect the parents too". Which just made a bit of a nonsense out of something that was already quite rambling and lost.

Haven’t read the whole thread but was surprised seeing folks attacking the op and saying people want him back. The polls show him as hugely unpopular, so whilst there will be some superfans who do wish him back I don’t think it’s in doubt the majority feel their behaviour is unbecoming and don’t wish him,back he’d make even more of a mockery of the royals.

however I’m also glad he’s doing more stuff on his own. Sadly he’s not got the common sense he was born with, so without palace protection I’m not sure how successful he will be.

No body is saying she wasn't pg or her kids aren't her's.

I was discussing why any one would believe such an obvious lie with poster who mentioned the on-line clips raising questions about Meghan pg and how convincing they first appear.

The clips exists - I've seen them out in the wild - they are the gateway to the conspiracy theory just like UFO ones - it's conformation bias for many sites that host them.

There are odd things or things made to look odd trying to raising doubts but alternative explanations aren't considered or how reliable the footage actually is.

It's speculation as to why so many are that gullible - why the lie persists- not about her being pg.

I supposed on a thread with a poster trying to claim cultural traditions like tooth fairy and FC are same are lying under oath ie perjury a criminal offence are the same I shouldn't be surprised discussing how easily events can be misconstrue for a narrative to have this then get deliberate misconstrued.

I think his visa application should remain private. I mean we don’t want to run the risk of him having to live back in the U.K. if we can help it. It’s sunnier in California and his children are there. It’s wet and grey here (quelle surprise!). Who wants 🌧️ when you can have 🌞

The parallel drawn by the Dept for Homeland Security as to why the info should be kept silent was an FOI case brought by a journalist investigating the visa status of disgraced Irish swim coach, George Gibney, who was facing child SA charges in Ireland. That he was being lobbied for/protected by the powerful American swim coaches org was the "embarrassing information" that was sought to be suppressed in that case. Not saying Harry's situation is the same, just that, in that other case, the FOI was granted. So arguably, whatever the DHS has deemed embarrassing (and the judge agreed with) is on a par with or greater than that case.

We shouldn't forget that Harry was not a party to the FOI/visa case, so what the DHS have a problem with is not necessarily anything Harry would be bothered about. What the DHS would not want is to set a precedent for other potentially problematic visas to end up in the public sphere.

Agree, @Crabbyappletree . Harry was ushered in, no questions asked, by someone , and that someone or who they represent wields enough power to put a lid on any embarrassment or wrongdoing.

I don’t quite understand how Harry is allowed to work though. I think Archewell’s finances seem highly questionable and only add to the feeling that the whole situation is not on the level.