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Continuing HR article, Netflix

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Twistybranch · 21/09/2024 10:31

See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Has Hollywood turned on the Sussexes? Industry bigwigs reveal all

Days after a ­brutal take-down in The Hollywood Reporter, which labelled Meghan as 'Duchess Difficult', neither she nor Harry attended her talent agent's Emmys after party.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

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Rhaidimiddim · 25/09/2024 16:51

Mylovelygreendress · 24/09/2024 22:06

Hmm I think that is a very carefully worded comment by Josh Kettler

If it was actually a quote from him, and not a made-up quote cobbled together from e.g. emails or convos he had while he was working for them. If he (or any of the people quoted) disagree with the quotes attributed to them in this article, they might find themselves in breach of an NDA.

Commenters elsewhere pointnout that none of yhe people quoted in the article the DM cites address the bullying claims, they all talk in general terms, and at times they sound very word salad.

Rhaidimiddim · 25/09/2024 16:53

Hiji · 24/09/2024 22:12

OMG....its taken them over 10 days to coerce and cajole a couple of staff members to put their names to MM's spin phrases.

"Another anonymous source insists the Duke and Duchess 'water the seedsfor them to flourish.'

Haha - its soooo transparent who uses florid word salad like this????

I wonder if the press release issued was written in swirly gold caligraphy 😂and accompanied with a jar of jam in a bowl of lemons.

No ones buying it.

Try harder and faster next time.

Cross post, been working so didn't see yours. But glad someone else is calling it out.

IcedPurple · 25/09/2024 16:54

Rhaidimiddim · 25/09/2024 16:51

If it was actually a quote from him, and not a made-up quote cobbled together from e.g. emails or convos he had while he was working for them. If he (or any of the people quoted) disagree with the quotes attributed to them in this article, they might find themselves in breach of an NDA.

Commenters elsewhere pointnout that none of yhe people quoted in the article the DM cites address the bullying claims, they all talk in general terms, and at times they sound very word salad.

And the fact is that the article went to press. WME seemingly did nothing to stop it, and the word is out there in one of the most respected Hollywood publications. Meghan is impossible to work with.

In a sense it doesn't matter whether random members of the public think Meghan is a bully or not. What matters is whether or not people in the industry want to work with her again. All the indications are that they do not. I would be shocked if NF renew their contract, and given their failure to produce, I don't see them getting any major media deals again. So these PR games are ultimately irrelevant.

Rhaidimiddim · 25/09/2024 17:03

IcedPurple · 25/09/2024 16:54

And the fact is that the article went to press. WME seemingly did nothing to stop it, and the word is out there in one of the most respected Hollywood publications. Meghan is impossible to work with.

In a sense it doesn't matter whether random members of the public think Meghan is a bully or not. What matters is whether or not people in the industry want to work with her again. All the indications are that they do not. I would be shocked if NF renew their contract, and given their failure to produce, I don't see them getting any major media deals again. So these PR games are ultimately irrelevant.

Yes, it's like someone trashing you in Computer Weekly or Farming Today. And you answer back in Heat. You'll reach the attention of the bored consumer at the checkout, but they're not who you need to impress if you want to keep a career going in your chosen field.

IcedPurple · 25/09/2024 17:47

Rhaidimiddim · 25/09/2024 17:03

Yes, it's like someone trashing you in Computer Weekly or Farming Today. And you answer back in Heat. You'll reach the attention of the bored consumer at the checkout, but they're not who you need to impress if you want to keep a career going in your chosen field.

And I think this is one of Meghan's big mistakes, right back to her royal days.

She is obsessed with PR 'clapbacks'. She can't let anything go. Isn't this one of things she was allegedly bullying staff about? Didn't Harry even admit in 'Spare' that they were crying over their desks because she insisted on hitting back at every stupid trivial little story?

Unfortunately for her, none of this has made her any more 'likeable'. Quite the opposite. And in any case, the people in a position to work with her won't do it because she sends 'sweet' cards to her friends, but because she makes money for them. But Meghan is too obsessed with controlling her own image rather than producing anything of value. That's why Spotify dumped her and NF are going to do the same.

The entertainment industry is brutal and it moves fast. You only get one chance, and I think it's safe to say she's made a bit of a dog's dinner of hers. Complete with monogrammed dog biscuits.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 25/09/2024 18:07

It's interesting the way that Meghan refers to the members of the royal family, reducing them down to their connection with her- "My husband's grandmother" - when talking about the Queen. Or "My husband's brother." when talking about Prince William.
I struggle to remember a time that she ever referred to them respectfully by their titles, despite insisting that everyone uses hers.

Charles, Anne etc nearly always said 'the Queen' when referring to her in public. Meghan presumably would have been advised to do the same.

adriftinadenofvipers · 25/09/2024 18:28

RestlessDollyMaunder · 25/09/2024 01:18

I know! I wonder what posters on these threads did before they had the Sussexes to spew their bile over. I don't know anyone in real life who gives them a second thought.

Yet you were mysteriously drawn to post here to. I wonder what your excuse is...

JADS · 25/09/2024 18:32

Abouttimeforanamechange · 25/09/2024 18:07

It's interesting the way that Meghan refers to the members of the royal family, reducing them down to their connection with her- "My husband's grandmother" - when talking about the Queen. Or "My husband's brother." when talking about Prince William.
I struggle to remember a time that she ever referred to them respectfully by their titles, despite insisting that everyone uses hers.

Charles, Anne etc nearly always said 'the Queen' when referring to her in public. Meghan presumably would have been advised to do the same.

My husband's grandmother is so convoluted. The Queen is much snappier. I also find it quite demeaning the way she uses tabloid names for other female RF members - Kate and Fergie spring to mind. The fact that Meghan claims she is a feminist is mind boggling.

wordler · 25/09/2024 18:41

JADS · 25/09/2024 18:32

My husband's grandmother is so convoluted. The Queen is much snappier. I also find it quite demeaning the way she uses tabloid names for other female RF members - Kate and Fergie spring to mind. The fact that Meghan claims she is a feminist is mind boggling.

Fergie is particularly strange considering that it’s not something the family would have been calling her amongst themselves.

If I’m being very generous I’d say with the senior royals she might have been nervous to being with about getting the protocols correct - it’s a lot to remember how for someone not used to all those titles - how to refer to someone on first meeting and then afterwards - how to refer about them in public etc - she might just have been going for the less controversial option.

But she must have known Kate didn’t want to be called Kate in interviews - Harry never used to call her Kate.

adriftinadenofvipers · 25/09/2024 18:41

JSMill · 25/09/2024 15:32

Reading this thread has been fascinating. It has made me reflect on the experience I had in my last school. We had a deputy head come in who we initially thought was a great fit for our lovely school. However as the months passed, she gradually showed her true colours, displaying the kinds of behaviours discussed here, such as having favourites, love bombing new hires, not respecting boundaries, undermining people etc. It totally changed the atmosphere in the school. I eventually left when I found out during the summer holidays from one of her favourites that I would be doing a very different role in the new term and this person wanted me to avoid the nasty surprise in store on the first day of term. She was always banging the positivity/well being drum but created such a toxic stressful environment. I'm so glad I left. I think workplace bullying is actually very common and it's very hard to fight it.

You're absolutely right about the workplace bullying. It goes on so much and there's really nowhere you can go with it. And if you do, it's a long drawn-out and ultimately fruitless process. Leaving is the best thing to do, if you can.

Mylovelygreendress · 25/09/2024 18:44

JADS · 25/09/2024 18:32

My husband's grandmother is so convoluted. The Queen is much snappier. I also find it quite demeaning the way she uses tabloid names for other female RF members - Kate and Fergie spring to mind. The fact that Meghan claims she is a feminist is mind boggling.

I agree . The message they sent after the PoW announced her cancer diagnosis was so disrespectful referring to her as Kate when 1) she has made it known she prefers Catherine and 2) most statements I saw on Twitter etc said the PoW .
And yet Meghan insists on her title being used and addressed as m’am .

Mylovelygreendress · 25/09/2024 18:45

Xpost with @wordler

smilesy · 25/09/2024 18:51

If I’m being very generous I’d say with the senior royals she might have been nervous to being with about getting the protocols correct - it’s a lot to remember how for someone not used to all those titles - how to refer to someone on first meeting and then afterwards - how to refer about them in public etc - she might just have been going for the less controversial option

I think you are being more than generous. Even if she couldn’t remember that the Queen should be referred to as “Her Majesty”, she was aware she was “The Queen”, so she could at least have said that 🤷‍♀️

Uricon2 · 25/09/2024 19:16

As well as the title avoidance on Meghan's part, I found the Fergie thing odd too. Sarah is always going to be Fergie to me because I'm her age more or less, it was ubiquitous when she came to prominence and is totally ingrained. See her, think Fergie. It isn't meant badly. Meghan is in a very different position and using her nickname from nearly 40 years ago is quite strange, really.

CathyorClaire · 25/09/2024 20:05

RestlessDollyMaunder · 25/09/2024 01:18

I know! I wonder what posters on these threads did before they had the Sussexes to spew their bile over. I don't know anyone in real life who gives them a second thought.

I don't know anyone IRL who gives either the Henrys or the rest of the royal circus a second thought or who doesn't roll their eyes far enough back to stick at the thought of discussing any of them.

Personally I'm grateful the Henrys step so far out of their way to entertain.

CathyorClaire · 25/09/2024 20:11

Can you just imagine what an employee NDA must consist of and how many hoops and submissions they would have had to issue to The Sussex’s before the comments were approved and signed off? Probably signed off via a legal route too so no one could slip up and add in anything seen as a negative. You do wonder what the pressure must be like on the staff.

The T&C's for anyone fool enough to submit content to Archewell are pretty eye-opening. I can't imagine how draconian a staff NDA might be.

coolmum123 · 25/09/2024 21:24

I think she's done.

StartupRepair · 25/09/2024 21:32

Having encountered a few narcissists I absolutely recognise the love bombing , combined with flattery or expensive branded gifts.
I had a very angry and unpleasant manager many years ago who would subject her team to dreadful cruel outbursts. The next day she would sidle up to the victim and make a huge fuss of them, "ooh I love your skirt, you look great today etc," It was so fake and so performative and didn't compensate in any way for how she behaved.

Makingwaves2 · 25/09/2024 21:34

wordler · 25/09/2024 18:41

Fergie is particularly strange considering that it’s not something the family would have been calling her amongst themselves.

If I’m being very generous I’d say with the senior royals she might have been nervous to being with about getting the protocols correct - it’s a lot to remember how for someone not used to all those titles - how to refer to someone on first meeting and then afterwards - how to refer about them in public etc - she might just have been going for the less controversial option.

But she must have known Kate didn’t want to be called Kate in interviews - Harry never used to call her Kate.

I think she genuinely thought that being part of the family meant she didn’t need to treat others members who were senior with deference in private.No one had apparently explained this to her it seems . I remember reading about Diana being really put out that Charles served his mother tea before her or something along those lines. I think if you’re born into that family there are so many things that people outside it just wouldn’t do in their own families and so they don’t ‘get’ it. It probably doesn’t occur to them to explain these things to outsiders, because to them it is normal. However any idiot would know that the Queen is not to be referred to in the way Meghan did. I think she was making a deliberate point in not using the correct form of address to show that as an American she considered that she didn’t need to show appropriate respect or deference. It’s an act of defiance.

Alectoishome · 25/09/2024 21:36

LoobyLous · 21/09/2024 12:51

Here’s a copy paste. @TheStroppyFeminist

The beautiful and the powerful of Hollywood circulated over ginger margaritas and spicy tuna bites on the rooftop of the Waldorf Astoria after the Emmy awards on Sunday night.

Guests included A-listers such as Kevin Costner, Brie Larson and Javier Bardem, influential bosses like David Zaslav of Warners, and rising stars including the actress Eve Hewson – Bono's daughter.

The party was thrown by WME, the Hollywood talent agency whose biggest boss, Ari Emanuel, is the patron of all who gathered there. He out-clouted everyone present, and considering that last year he was paid $65 million (£49 million), he out-earns most of them, too.

Missing, though, was one of Emanuel's most famous ­clients, Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex. She signed with him in April 2023 in what seemed to be a certain harbinger of some big-ticket commercial tie-ups and maybe more deals in entertainment to go alongside her ­existing Netflix gig. But – just three days after a ­brutal take-down in the usually placid industry bible The Hollywood Reporter, which labelled her as 'Duchess Difficult', neither she nor husband Prince Harry were showing their faces.

They weren't nominated for any Emmys either – obviously.

Meghan has not made a TV show since Netflix's incendiary Harry & Meghan documentary in 2022; Harry was a featured talking head in a documentary about his Invictus Games, which went out in 2023 to some of the lowest ratings of the year on Netflix.

Whether they didn't get an invite or declined to go, their attendance at the event would have made the couple appear at least sanguine in the wake of the article which talked about her working practices, saying she was 'just terrible', 'a dictator in high heels' and had 'made grown men cry'.

One senior figure, who has watched Harry and Meghan's progress in Hollywood with interest, said this week that they seem to be reaping the kind of 'schadenfreude with extra venom' at which the entertainment business excels.

He adds: 'It was only a matter of time before the industry Press started taking shots. It's hard to find anyone with a good word to say for their film and television credibility.'

The article in The Hollywood Reporter was published on September 12. Headed: Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Harry and Meghan, it was ostensibly about their chief of staff, Josh Kettler, leaving after only three months, as first revealed in this newspaper by Richard Eden in his diary pages.

It mentioned their woeful record in hanging onto staff with those leaving including Toya Holness, their global press secretary until 2022, Christine Weil Schirmer, who quit as Harry and Meghan's PR head in 2021 and Keleigh Thomas Morgan of Sunshine Sachs who stopped looking after the couple around the same time. Others who have left include Catherine St-Laurent, once head of the Sussexes' charity Archewell, Archewell COO Mandana Dayani; content chief Ben Browning and marketing chief Fara Taylor.

A source claimed to the ­Hollywood Reporter: 'Everyone's terrified of Meghan. She belittles people, she doesn't take advice. They're both poor decision-­makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he's very much an enabler. And she's just terrible.'

Another source said: 'She's ­absolutely relentless. She marches around like a dictator in high heels, fuming and barking orders. I've watched her reduce grown men to tears.'

The startling allegations – described by a source close to the couple as 'inaccurate' and 'one-sided' – recall the kerfuffle in 2018 over whether Meghan had bullied staff at Buckingham Palace. There was an investigation after complaints and concerns were raised, but its results have never been made public.

Meghan strenuously denied the ­allegations and denounced them as part of a ­'calculated smear campaign'.

In all, the Hollywood Reporter article was just the kind of ­unflattering 'hit piece' which you might expect the talent agency WME to have strangled at birth for their client, Meghan. One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'

She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

'The only thing the Sussexes could rally with was 'no comment at this time' from a spokesman.'

And perhaps even worse it came only weeks after another take-down in an industry publication.

That was part of a feature about the 'worst deals' of the 'peak TV period' which ran on the Hollywood news website, Puck. Again, the site – run by former Hollywood Reporter editor Matt Belloni and with a quarter of a million subscribers – is a must-read in the industry.

Harry and Meghan's reported $100 million Netflix deal (which runs out next September) was mentioned in the same breath as Fleabag creator Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who signed a mega-deal with Amazon in 2019 that has yet to yield a single minute of ­television drama.

Wasnt she blacklisted in Hollywood also after doing the voice over work for Disney with the elephants documentary which firstly was panned for her saccharine, syrupy insipid narrstion and secondly she declared she was donating her fee to the elephant charity who then reported a year later that they never received the money?

Makingwaves2 · 25/09/2024 21:36

Uricon2 · 25/09/2024 19:16

As well as the title avoidance on Meghan's part, I found the Fergie thing odd too. Sarah is always going to be Fergie to me because I'm her age more or less, it was ubiquitous when she came to prominence and is totally ingrained. See her, think Fergie. It isn't meant badly. Meghan is in a very different position and using her nickname from nearly 40 years ago is quite strange, really.

Especially since Harry doesn’t call her Fergie in private I assume. It’s like she thinks they are characters in a book.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 25/09/2024 22:08

I remember reading about Diana being really put out that Charles served his mother tea before her or something along those lines. I think if you’re born into that family there are so many things that people outside it just wouldn’t do in their own families

Wouldn't most people serve the older lady first, whatever family they were born into?

Makingwaves2 · 25/09/2024 22:09

Abouttimeforanamechange · 25/09/2024 22:08

I remember reading about Diana being really put out that Charles served his mother tea before her or something along those lines. I think if you’re born into that family there are so many things that people outside it just wouldn’t do in their own families

Wouldn't most people serve the older lady first, whatever family they were born into?

Yes they would but perhaps I’ve remembered some details wrongly. Charles prioritised his mother before his wife habitually, but she was the Queen!

JSMill · 25/09/2024 22:19

The oldest person should always be served first in my book. I am not sure everyone has been brought up that way.

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