Continuing HR article, Netflix

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See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Yes it has her stamp all over it.

Defend themselves from what?

No legal action has been taken. Nor have the allegations been denied.

It’s almost as funny as claiming that people were rejoicing on the streets of South Africa, akin to Mandela being released from prison, during their wedding,

It’s always Meghan who makes these ridiculous statements. I wonder if she is a compulsive liar or needs to embellish stories. I can imagine the original comment was close to “we watched your wedding on tv in South Africa along with neighbours/families”. It’s so strange that she feels the need to say this stuff.

I just can’t get over the “water the seeds for them to flourish” comment 🤣 They’re so unintentionally funny and entertaining, I can’t stop watching to see what funny thing they will do next 🤣

The watering of seeds also implies failure of the employees

Dripping with the grandiosity and superiority classic of the delusion narc.

She has no appreciation of how these experts have honed their skills over decades in high calibre competitive industries and their counsel and direction is well-informed. Just highly ignorant.

You must have missed this then.

The Hollywood Reporter editor was straight out of the blocks the next day doubling down and given more detail in this live interview:

https://x.com/accesshollywood/status/1834786144745341393

I thought that statement was very revealing.

They'd obviously tried to provide some examples of what good employers they are and they came up with sending a gift and wearing baseball caps.

Both of these are such performative superficial examples. Exactly what I imagine Meghan thinks a warm person is. Like with the hugging: I must be nice I hug people and don't wear shoes.

Also the gift giving would just be a task she assigned someone else to do, hardly her searching Amazon after the kids are in bed.

What they don't seem to understand is you can hug people, send gifts and wear ripped jeans and still come across as fake, superior, difficult, demanding and self absorbed.

I think she must be very confused thinking: I've completed everything on my 'how to show I'm a thoughtful person checklist and still noone likes me.'
I'm really starting to see that she just doesn't understand social interaction or how to communicate.
She has learned 'skills' she can apply: hug, say nice words, send a gift but she doesn't have the instinct for genuine connection.

I think she'd be great in a corporate environment where performance and compliance are the required skills. She is great at 'presenting' but has no personal content or charisma. That's fine for a corporate presentation which is how her speeches come across, just devoid of the content.
I also wonder if that's why the suits role was good for her: she was playing a version of herself which could have been a corporate lawyer. Good looking, successful, go getting: how she sees herself.

Roles which would require real connection with emotions outside her narrow understanding would probably be impossible for her.

Oh god I'd forgotten about that South African dancing on the streets like when Mandela was released - an absolute doozie of a fat lie caught out yet again!! Why oh why do people actually defend her 😂🤣😂

She has learned 'skills' she can apply: hug, say nice words, send a gift but she doesn't have the instinct for genuine connection.

And these skills are totally self serving - 100% only for her own personal gain.

Kiss up - Kick down .... is how she behaves.

The two extreme faces of the narc.

StrawberryWasp

I thought that statement was very revealing.
They'd obviously tried to provide some examples of what good employers they are and they came up with sending a gift and wearing baseball caps.
Both of these are such performative superficial examples. Exactly what I imagine Meghan thinks a warm person is. Like with the hugging: I must be nice I hug people and don't wear shoes.
Also the gift giving would just be a task she assigned someone else to do, hardly her searching Amazon after the kids are in bed.
What they don't seem to understand is you can hug people, send gifts and wear ripped jeans and still come across as fake, superior, difficult, demanding and self absorbed.
I think she must be very confused thinking: I've completed everything on my 'how to show I'm a thoughtful person checklist and still noone likes me.'
I'm really starting to see that she just doesn't understand social interaction or how to communicate.
She has learned 'skills' she can apply: hug, say nice words, send a gift but she doesn't have the instinct for genuine connection.
I think she'd be great in a corporate environment where performance and compliance are the required skills. She is great at 'presenting' but has no personal content or charisma. That's fine for a corporate presentation which is how her speeches come across, just devoid of the content.
I also wonder if that's why the suits role was good for her: she was playing a version of herself which could have been a corporate lawyer. Good looking, successful, go getting: how she sees herself.
Roles which would require real connection with emotions outside her narrow understanding would probably be impossible for her.

I agree with all of this.

It's hard to fake genuine engagement and emotion and most people can spot the difference between the real and the put on.

The video of Meghan on the floor playing with the babies illustrates this perfectly. She was more concerned with the optics and what the still images would look like than listening to a woman telling her heartbreaking story. It was obvious that she wasn't even listening to the poor woman.

There have been many instances like these caught on camera and I don't know how any of her supporters can watch them and still believe she is genuinely in the business of helping people.

True goodness shines through, you just have to look at videos of people like Dolly Parton to see this. You can't fake it and this is why Meghan is disliked and unpopular, despite as you so rightly pointed out, 'ticking all the boxes'.

This is why I'm always surprised to see Meghan described as "confident" - because IME the inability to recognise the skills of others suggests a deep inadequacy instead ... as in "I realise deep down I'm not very good so resent you being any better"

Genuinely able people don't behave like this because they don't need to. The less able OTOH try to cover it up with silly stunts, word salad and the rest, which rarely works as they just don't have the insight

Agree with all this. It reminds of distributing a few backpacks with snacks to the homeless whilst being filmed , to appear empathetic. Just so wide of the mark it’s breathtaking.

The talk of 'gifts' makes me think of the most sociopathic employer I ever had. Several long-term employees resigned because of her bullying. I remember her coming around to our office with cute little 'gifts' from her holidays in Spain, and she also had these 'positive affirmation' slogans on the walls of her office. Yet she was a horrible hateful person who eventually got fired because of her behaviour, despite this being a public institution where firing people is very difficult.

Good employers don't give gifts or hug people. Well, they might, but that's not what makes them a good employer, and it certainly doesn't excuse bullying. I don't want little boxes of biscuits. I want decent, respectful treatment in my workplace.

StrawberryWasp
I also wonder if that's why the suits role was good for her: she was playing a version of herself which could have been a corporate lawyer. Good looking, successful, go getting: how she sees herself.

This is a good point - on one level she thinks she really is 'corporate lawyer material', just because she's played the part. I remember a famous and very glamorous actress once declaring she'd actually like to become a nurse ...because she'd played a very glam and elegant one, whose work didn't seem particularly stressful. She didn't, needless to say!

Most of the time with M, I just want to stop the flow and ask "But what do you actually MEAN?"

Not angry. Actually quite fascinated by how 2 people who had so much privilege and goodwill have managed to piss it all away in such spectacular fashion.

Me too @BreadInCaptivity. They are the soap opera that keeps giving. Except of course, that most fictional characters are given some redeeming features to make the drama more complex and interesting.

Oh and "warmly welcomed" is just like most narcissists isn't it?

Good employers don't give gifts or hug people. Well, they might, but that's not what makes them a good employer, and it certainly doesn't excuse bullying. I don't want little boxes of biscuits. I want decent, respectful treatment in my workplace.

Didn’t we once hear about how wonderful Meghan was because she bought ice-cream for the staff at KP ( I think it was)? All this emphasis on how generous with gifts she is just makes her appear shallow and highlights how she completely misses the point of good management

Yes I remember that. Along with the story about how she gifted an employee a box of Charlotte Tilbury lipsticks, but only after removing her favourite shade first!

That sort of thing is emotionally manipulative power play to me. "But I gave you ice cream!"

The positive affirmation slogans combined with the gift giving is spot on M. Her speeches and pronouncements are basically positive affirmation slogans slung together.

People drawn to these slogans seem to think saying it displaying them makes them empathetic/ kind/ respectful/ whatever without realising it's the doing the thing consistently over time that makes you that not self declaring you are that.

In fact self declaring you are kind and empathetic makes you a suspect twat.

We'll be the judge of that not you.

I actually think she has a true lack of social judgement and self perception and is therefore genuinely confused why people don't like her.
She therefore then has to apply this to faults in others: their racism, coldness etc.

It would be fascinating to know what Harry's perception of her and the bullying is as it's persisted. The dissonance he must feel must be painful to resolve.

They really are a fascinating pair to observe and speculate on their psychology as it plays out.
I think many of us are drawn in because we know similar people or family situations and it's a public drama people can personally relate to.
I think that's true for me anyway.

Puzzledandpissedoff

This is why I'm always surprised to see Meghan described as "confident" - because IME the inability to recognise the skills of others suggests a deep inadequacy instead ... as in "I realise deep down I'm not very good so resent you being any better"

I read that this is a thing with narcissists- belittling the achievements of others despite the other person being better or more qualified. Almost having a disgust of truly talented people because they represent everything the narcissist wishes they were.

It's interesting the way that Meghan refers to the members of the royal family, reducing them down to their connection with her- "My husband's grandmother" - when talking about the Queen. Or "My husband's brother." when talking about Prince William.

I struggle to remember a time that she ever referred to them respectfully by their titles, despite insisting that everyone uses hers.

Another issue with love bombing and gift giving is that it can be withdrawn as easily as it is given, as a show of disapproval and control. An identical (at least in value) hamper for all employees at Christmas? Fine. Gifts for the "special" and favoured on an ad hoc basis, which depends on the whim of the employer? Not fine. It is at best patronising and at worst, deliberate control and an attempt to undermine and wrongfoot, because sometimes "kind" gestures do not have kind motives.

Of course, people here in UK were dancing in the streets for their wedding.

But we call it "having a street party"

😂😂

StrawberryWasp

People drawn to these slogans seem to think saying it displaying them makes them empathetic/ kind/ respectful/ whatever without realising it's the doing the thing consistently over time that makes you that not self declaring you are that.

My mum has these all over her house, especially ones referencing grandchildren and being a doting grandparent. Anyone entering her house would think she's the world's best grandmother- she isn't, she's actually a narcissistic alcoholic who has very limited contact with my children for good reason. She seems to think hanging up these little signs makes her a good person rather than actually making the effort to be a decent kind human being.

Exactly.

That's why I see it as a power play. I'm the boss. I get to decide who to give 'gifts' to. Or not. Your role is to be grateful and know your place.

Reading this thread has been fascinating. It has made me reflect on the experience I had in my last school. We had a deputy head come in who we initially thought was a great fit for our lovely school. However as the months passed, she gradually showed her true colours, displaying the kinds of behaviours discussed here, such as having favourites, love bombing new hires, not respecting boundaries, undermining people etc. It totally changed the atmosphere in the school. I eventually left when I found out during the summer holidays from one of her favourites that I would be doing a very different role in the new term and this person wanted me to avoid the nasty surprise in store on the first day of term. She was always banging the positivity/well being drum but created such a toxic stressful environment. I'm so glad I left. I think workplace bullying is actually very common and it's very hard to fight it.

God yes. My mother does this too.