Continuing HR article, Netflix

[Twistybranch]

See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Totally unfair comparison, Meghan and Harry are multi millionaires who don’t ever have to work a day in their lives if they so wish, they could spend all their time with their children 24/7 unlike most parents who need two incomes just to pay the bills.

The RF will always put the integrity of the monarchy first. How could they have them back?
They are probably disliked more than even Andrew, and thats saying something. That have told the world that the Brits are racist, that we made her race such an issue. That this country was not safe for her children.

When in reality they were cheered and celebrated and many, many millions of taxpayer money in austerity Britain were spent in her quest to have a bigger wedding than W&C.

Surely the only way they would have Harry back is without Meghan, and even then he'd have to live in quiet, sheepish obscurity like his disgraced Uncle.

Hmmm. I don’t know. Andrew’s entitlement and arrogance are off the charts. Almost equal to Meghan’s. But he’s much much older and has nothing left to offer the RF or the public. He also has three siblings.

Harry is a different kettle of fish. His actions may have been deplorable but they weren’t criminal or deviant. If his family welcomes him back, it’ll be difficult for the public to object, really. Once William is king, who will be his back up? His cousins all have plans of their own, and other than Beatrice none of them seem willing or keen.

A better template would have been Diana, if she had lived. That said, she was always loyal to the institution and respectful to the monarch.

I think Harry’s reintegration could be a PR story to beat all PR stories. He’d have to go a public and authentic mea culpa + learning curve + flawless service from then on. And put his children through rigorous “training” if they’re to be a part of the family too (it’s not like Meghan would object to her kids princessing and princeing on a global stage).

I can see it happening, and I can see Harry doing it.

The RF have brilliant PR people at the finger tips.
Even if it involves a long road they managed to turn Camillas and Sophie & Edwards reputations around.

I can definitely see it happening for Harry alone, but not for them as a couple.

Even the best PR can only turn reputations around if the individual involved is willing to accept advice. I see no evidence that Harry has the patience or humility to work to change how he is perceived.

As far as he is concerned he is fine, it's everyone else that's the problem.

I've figured out why Meghan is staying back in Montecito while Harry goes to Africa - she's conducting the Spanish Inquisition into which member of their current staff blabbed to the HR!
@cheezncrackers

This frightening thought occurred to me too. We're told that one of the 12 people who spoke to the HR still works for them, so I can only imagine the atmosphere in that office right now! I'm seeing Meghan strutting up and down between desks, wearing 3 inch stilettos, arms folded but fingers still tapping, glaring at everyone in turn to see who breaks down and begs forgiveness! Scary stuff...

Harry probably thought he'd be safest out of the way.

I agree that would be very uncomfortable. Clearly she's copying Diana who took the princes to visit homeless people and AIDS sufferers - but they were much older, and simply accompanied her.

Archie's to young to understand the situation, so really, it's just a performative stunt.

How can they stand it. Imagine having to work for a talentless creature like her who now fancies herself as some kind of Marie Antoinette.

Flouncing about like the Queen of Sheba like she never earned $10 an hour acting out blow jobs in cars.

No wonder she knew she had to be back in the US to launch her full Cruella mode, in US it seem that whoever has the most money has the most status, not quite as simple as that in the UK where poor manners and how you treat the people working for you, show you up for the trash you are.

Very much so. Huge difference between taking older kids (privately) to see that not everyone has their privilege and fortune and performative "charity" where you involve a tiny child who can't possibly understand, with a journalist in tow. Weren't some of these "gifts" donated from the back of a Porsche at one point?

Diana's actions obviously stuck with William, Patron of Centrepoint. I think he does show a genuine care about homelessness.

Neither of them sound like normal parents when they talk are asked about the children (versus saying pre-rehearsed things about them). Always generic remarks and not particularly warm or prsonalised, always slightly panicked looking when asked.

Complete sidetrack:

But bringing back Meghans clapback and her employees talking about all the things she buys- dog leash for a new dog, skin hamper for dry skin etc. Always thinking of others

Do you remember when in Spare, Harry claims W&C were upset that they weren’t given Easter gifts (by which they mean the kids obviously). Harry and Meghan pretending they didnt know that was a thing.

For someone who is supposed to be so thoughtful etc….she doesn’t buy the kids an Easter basket? Baring in mind, Easter gift baskets are a much bigger thing in the US than they are here (here a choco egg will do)

It was obviously done deliberately- it’s like saying you didn’t know you give presents at Xmas! Bull!

Imagine doing that to little kids.

Good points @Twistybranch .

Clearly they learned fast and/or remembered.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a60309784/prince-harry-meghan-markle-easter-decorations-egg-hunt-shop/

ETA my one and only uncle of any significance in my life had very serious MH issues. This has made me remember the eggs he always got us, chosen with love and care.

What stood out to me about the easter thing is that W&C wouldn't just suddenly take umbridge about Easter gifts. Clearly Harry had been buying for the children in previous years and then it stopped. The only reason his brother would mention it would be from hurt that the children no longer get a gift from their uncle, which George at least was probably old enough to notice. They are nasty.

Agree

For Sophie and Edward, they didn't change the PR, they changed the substance. They ended their outside business interests (they were essentially "half in/half out" and it went very badly wrong) and carried out all the duties assigned to them, and built up charitable expertise. The PR was the same as ever - churning out press releases on what they do (even though for years they had next to no coverage), never did what is now called clapping back, and let the good works and general royalling speak for itself.

Camilla - essentially the same approach. No attempt whatsoever to counter directly the absolutely shitty public perception. Instead it was work on the substance - a small number of good causes and letting it grow over years

I really don't see that their aim is reputation management. It's working on the substance that builds the reputation and the rest will follow

Yes substance over style. And it's eminently doable in the Royal family because they are working with longer timescales than most people in the public eye.

But Harry just wants to counter every negative story rather than make a positive effort.

After apologizing, of course! Don’t forget the apology he’s waiting for 😉

Does being multi-millionaires mean not going to work then? Hmmm. I get tired of the 'poor hard-done-by' children theme that keeps recurring - they live a life of luxury and will never have money worries, they probably have a doting granny on tap and a parent there most of the time.

Well spotted! @Uricon2

And the second things stop going his way he’ll turn nasty and vindictive, do a ‘tell all’ interview, write another book etc etc.
I honestly can’t see how he can ever be trusted again.

This is the real problem isn't it. I would always hope for reconciliation because I bet it's difficult for everyone, but he put a lot of private stuff out there and that's something that must be hard to get over.

I totally agree.
It can't be nice for anyone, least of all Charles.
I also feel for Harry's kids they appear to be completely isolated from all extended family, on both sides.

I don't honestly see how he can be. So much damage, so much betrayal. I know that The Crown on Netflix was very flawed in how they presented loads of things, but in essence they were right in the fact that the successors have to protect the monarchy, as it exists.

2 people have put themselves in opposition within the last 100 years. Edward Windsor and Harry.

Good luck, the modern Prince Hal, who hasn't seemed to realise that in the grand scheme of things, you're not that important. It is the way it is and better than you (Anne, Edward) got heir heads around it and make a huge contribution.

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Nope. I cannot see this happening. We expect a certain type of behaviour from the RF and H has deviated from this big-time, not least in maligning the British press and public.

If the RF try to slot him back in, there will be serious pushback. Against H in a public role, and against the RF for breaking their (informal social) contract with them public.

If we generally tolerate a constitutional monarchy, we won't tolerate one that expects us to respect H after all he has done.

Sorry to derail but I've been tucked up in bed all day with a very bad cold. I decided to finally give End Game a read to get the day in. On the library app as I refused to buy it.

I'm almost done. It's positively dripping in venom towards the RF. (I know Sussex Supports like to say our threads are just as venomous about the Sainted duo).

I had a quick nose at Mr Scobie's twitter, while he is still on team Sussex I think he's been "Markled" since its publication. No more inside scoops being fed to him.