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Twistybranch · 2024-09-21T09:31:07+00:00

See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources article in the DM: [[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html]] [[https://archive.ph/xgEdv https://archive.ph/xgEdv]] ^One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'^ ^She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?^ Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out. As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing??? Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry. [[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html]] Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

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Twistybranch · 28/09/2024 12:20

Crabbyappletree · 28/09/2024 11:22

One thing that struck me as odd was scheduling their Nigeria trip (which could have been any time, they are pretty underemployed) with US Mother's Day, which a lot of mums view as a bit of a sacred day to be spent with the children at all costs. Maybe they forgot about it when they scheduled the trip? Maybe their need to not show recent pictures of their children meant they couldn't do a social media message about the day. What it did allow Meghan to do was to talk about being a mother in front of an audience, something she does with great frequency.

Yes both of them talk a lot about the kids….but are always away, even on Mother’s Day. Tells you all you need to know.

if they are like this when they are this little- then it’s spells bad news for as the kids grow older. The kids will always remember

Ive always got the feeling that Meg never really bonded with lili. It’s only after her birth did they really hide both kids from view. She didn’t go out as much when Archie was little- but she’s been out and about for years now. It’s all very strange. Especially how exited they were to have a girl.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/09/2024 12:20

Hiji · 28/09/2024 11:08

That wouldnt look good on PH though would it....they were last seen gurning leaving the Tyler Perry - then supposedly PH went off on a lads holiday to the mountains, then week in NYC, on to the UK and then possibly straight to Africa - so away from his family for 3 weeks - surely not if his wife had a mental collapse and was home alone with two very young children?

That would bring any recent rise in his star come crashing back down as the worst husband of the year award.

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A very valid point, Hiji, though the messaging out of Montecito is so disjointed these days that it's hard to know what to think

What's very obvious though is that if Meghan continues to stay home it's a huge departure from her usual MO of grabbing both Harry and the attention at every possible opportunity, and with someone who craves that attention peope are bound to wonder what the reason is

Alectoishome · 28/09/2024 12:24

Twistybranch · 28/09/2024 12:20

Yes both of them talk a lot about the kids….but are always away, even on Mother’s Day. Tells you all you need to know.

if they are like this when they are this little- then it’s spells bad news for as the kids grow older. The kids will always remember

Ive always got the feeling that Meg never really bonded with lili. It’s only after her birth did they really hide both kids from view. She didn’t go out as much when Archie was little- but she’s been out and about for years now. It’s all very strange. Especially how exited they were to have a girl.

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She perhaps feels jealous of her, another girl in Harry's life. I thought their comments about their daughter were very strange. Harry saying she's 100% Spencer, so like his mother with the same blue eyes etc.. and Meghan jumps in and says blue, blue, BLUE eyes as if to highlight that these are the bluest eyes ever. Seemed quite Aryan and creepy.

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Twistybranch · 28/09/2024 12:31

Yes maybe she struggles with a child who is born a princess, the light hair and blue eyes, surrounded by wealth….maybe there is some jealousy for the childhood she never had and the struggles Lili wont have to go through, as meghan has done as someone who is mixed race. Especially if she doesn’t see herself physically in her and she resembles the Spencers.

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GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/09/2024 12:35

Triplesec · 27/09/2024 15:55

Ch. 52, Spare.

”Our staff sensed the friction, read the press, and thus there was frequent bickering around the office. Sides were taken. Team Cambridge versus Team Sussex. Rivalry, jealousy, competing agendas – it all poisoned the atmosphere. It didn’t help that everyone was working around the clock. There were so many demands from the press, such a constant stream of errors that needed clearing up, and we didn’t have nearly enough people or resources. At best we were able to address 10 per cent of what was out there. Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult. More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept. For all this, every bit of it, Willy blamed one person. Meg. He told me so several times, and he got cross when I told him he was out of line. He was just repeating the press narrative, spouting fake stories he’d read or been told. The great irony, I told him, was that the real villains were the people he’d imported into the office, people from government, who didn’t seem impervious to this kind of strife – but addicted to it. They had a knack for backstabbing, a talent for intrigue, and they were constantly setting our two groups of staff against each other. Meanwhile, in the midst of all this, Meg managed to remain calm. Despite what certain people were saying about her, I never heard her speak a bad word about anybody, or to anybody. On the contrary, I watched her redouble her efforts to reach out, to spread kindness. She sent out handwritten thank-you notes, checked on staff who were ill, sent baskets of food or flowers or goodies to anyone struggling, depressed, off sick. The office was often dark and cold, so she warmed it up with new lamps and space heaters, all bought with her personal credit card. She brought pizza and biscuits, hosted tea parties and ice-cream socials. She shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and makeup, with all the women in the office. I stood back in awe at her ability, or determination, to always see the good in people. The size of her heart was really brought home for me one day. I learned that Mr R, my former upstairs neighbour when I was in the badger sett, had suffered a tragedy. His adult son had died. Meg didn’t know Mr R. Neither did she know the son. But she knew the family had been my neighbours, and she’d often seen them walking their dogs. So she felt tremendous sorrow for them, and wrote the father a letter, expressing condolences, telling him she wanted to give him a hug but didn’t know if it would be appropriate. With the letter she included a gardenia, to plant in the son’s memory. A week later Mr R appeared at our front door at Nott Cott. He handed Meg a thank-you note and gave her a tight hug. I felt so proud of her, so regretful about my feud with Mr R. More, I felt regretful about my family feuding with my wife.”

On the Mr R More story: it is an interesting hallmark of narcissists that they are often more caring (or lovebomb-ey, depending on your perspective) to total or near strangers than they are to their nearest and dearest, whom they frequently treat with callousness and disdain.

cheezncrackers · 28/09/2024 12:55

It is entirely possible that Harry has got tired of sharing the spotlight and has insisted Meghan stay at home. Think about how resentful he is about being the spare, that is the true Harry, not the cheeky chappie the men in grey suits created. The Harry that wrote Spare wants to be number 1 in his world.

This is a really good point! Here we all are, ascribing no agency at all to Harry, but maybe he's just fed up of sharing the spotlight with his fame-hungry wife, who is only well-known, after all, because she married him. He wrote a whole book about how his life has been blighted by having to play second fiddle to Willy, so I can't imagine he's too thrilled to have swapped being 'spare' to the future king to being spare to a former D-list actress.

I've figured out why Meghan is staying back in Montecito while Harry goes to Africa - she's conducting the Spanish Inquisition into which member of their current staff blabbed to the HR!

Hiji · 28/09/2024 13:00

GiveMeSpanakopita · 28/09/2024 12:35

On the Mr R More story: it is an interesting hallmark of narcissists that they are often more caring (or lovebomb-ey, depending on your perspective) to total or near strangers than they are to their nearest and dearest, whom they frequently treat with callousness and disdain.

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That is so true - and something I have seen IRL.

Its all performative with the sole intention to bathe themselves in glory and praise rather than to alleviate the suffering of the other.

It also shows that their relating ability is only superficial and shallow - relationships requiring more intimacy, emotional negotiation, responsibility and accountability are unsustainable for them and where they fail and fall apart.

Hiji · 28/09/2024 13:08

Twistybranch · 28/09/2024 11:03

Agree, she totally lied when she said that.

She was also being extremely passive aggressive with the impication that W&C aren’t good parents because their children go to school in the UK (implying that they are chased down with photographers, which is completely untrue) and that she is a good parent because she took her children away from that

she said re photographers chasing them at school:
'Sorry, I have a problem with that. That doesn't make me obsessed with privacy. That makes me a strong and good parent protecting my child," Meghan says

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And at the same time she took a journalist (think from The Cut) on Archies school run - actually in the car - invading her own childs privacy!!

Couldnt make it up.

summerlemons · 28/09/2024 13:12

I suspect Meghan is simply lying low after the HR article and will be back on the scene once the furore has died down.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/09/2024 13:13

Here we all are, ascribing no agency at all to Harry, but maybe he's just fed up of sharing the spotlight with his fame-hungry wife, who is only well-known, after all, because she married him

FWIW I've always recognised Harry's own agency and roundly blamed him for not using it where appropriate, but all the same I can't help wondering how it would work out for him if he actually told Meghan she wasn't wanted on a visit - especially when the way she acts if thwarted in the slightest manner is already widely known

Loved the suggested Spanish Inquisition of the staff though (and after all nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition )
The only problem there could be Harry returning home to find no staff at all ...

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Twistybranch · 28/09/2024 13:16

Hiji · 28/09/2024 13:08

And at the same time she took a journalist (think from The Cut) on Archies school run - actually in the car - invading her own childs privacy!!

Couldnt make it up.

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So true!!

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JSMill · 28/09/2024 13:25

@Hiji didn't she get Archie to hand out things to homeless people? I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of young children handing out charity to adults. It may be good for the child but I feel it's condescending to the adult.

StrawberryWasp · 28/09/2024 13:51

The narrative developing that M is toxic and Harry is a good guy who can be rehabilitated without her, is making me cross.

I hold him more accountable for the vicious self absorbed public unkindness to his family than her. Because they are his family.
He should have had more loyalty, more care more love for these people who've been in his whole life than we could ever expect M to have.

Ok she's obviously a determined hard nosed women who wants what she wants and doesn't let others get in her way. Fair enough. Maybe not the nicest women ever but they are qualities that get you somewhere. (E.g. bagging a Prince). But equally you may seem a bit of a bitch to others.

So you can understand her ditching and dissing his family. They were inconvenient to her aims & oersonally they are unimportant to her.

But for him to do this? It's the deepest worst betrayal. Hurting those you've loved, who are closest to you, attacking them so publicly accusing them of the worst things, when you know they can't defend themselves, when they are at vulnerable points in their lives.
It's unforgivable. Someone who will betray his own family, hurt them so much in the way he has is someone who can never be trusted again.

He's either so weak he can be manipulated to do this terrible thing. Or he's so self absorbed he doesn't empathise with those he supposedly loves. Or so stupid he doesn't understand the consequences. Or so heartless he doesn't care.

She is what she is. Go getting and ruthless. It's quite simple to understand her.

But what he's done is much more malevolent.

This poor Harry, she's so evil stuff is just wrong imo.

Alectoishome · 28/09/2024 13:57

StrawberryWasp · 28/09/2024 13:51

The narrative developing that M is toxic and Harry is a good guy who can be rehabilitated without her, is making me cross.

I hold him more accountable for the vicious self absorbed public unkindness to his family than her. Because they are his family.
He should have had more loyalty, more care more love for these people who've been in his whole life than we could ever expect M to have.

Ok she's obviously a determined hard nosed women who wants what she wants and doesn't let others get in her way. Fair enough. Maybe not the nicest women ever but they are qualities that get you somewhere. (E.g. bagging a Prince). But equally you may seem a bit of a bitch to others.

So you can understand her ditching and dissing his family. They were inconvenient to her aims & oersonally they are unimportant to her.

But for him to do this? It's the deepest worst betrayal. Hurting those you've loved, who are closest to you, attacking them so publicly accusing them of the worst things, when you know they can't defend themselves, when they are at vulnerable points in their lives.
It's unforgivable. Someone who will betray his own family, hurt them so much in the way he has is someone who can never be trusted again.

He's either so weak he can be manipulated to do this terrible thing. Or he's so self absorbed he doesn't empathise with those he supposedly loves. Or so stupid he doesn't understand the consequences. Or so heartless he doesn't care.

She is what she is. Go getting and ruthless. It's quite simple to understand her.

But what he's done is much more malevolent.

This poor Harry, she's so evil stuff is just wrong imo.

They are both equally worthy of our contempt.

Hiji · 28/09/2024 14:13

StrawberryWasp · 28/09/2024 13:51

The narrative developing that M is toxic and Harry is a good guy who can be rehabilitated without her, is making me cross.

I hold him more accountable for the vicious self absorbed public unkindness to his family than her. Because they are his family.
He should have had more loyalty, more care more love for these people who've been in his whole life than we could ever expect M to have.

Ok she's obviously a determined hard nosed women who wants what she wants and doesn't let others get in her way. Fair enough. Maybe not the nicest women ever but they are qualities that get you somewhere. (E.g. bagging a Prince). But equally you may seem a bit of a bitch to others.

So you can understand her ditching and dissing his family. They were inconvenient to her aims & oersonally they are unimportant to her.

But for him to do this? It's the deepest worst betrayal. Hurting those you've loved, who are closest to you, attacking them so publicly accusing them of the worst things, when you know they can't defend themselves, when they are at vulnerable points in their lives.
It's unforgivable. Someone who will betray his own family, hurt them so much in the way he has is someone who can never be trusted again.

He's either so weak he can be manipulated to do this terrible thing. Or he's so self absorbed he doesn't empathise with those he supposedly loves. Or so stupid he doesn't understand the consequences. Or so heartless he doesn't care.

She is what she is. Go getting and ruthless. It's quite simple to understand her.

But what he's done is much more malevolent.

This poor Harry, she's so evil stuff is just wrong imo.

Someone who will betray his own family, hurt them so much in the way he has is someone who can never be trusted again.
He's either so weak he can be manipulated to do this terrible thing. Or he's so self absorbed he doesn't empathise with those he supposedly loves. Or so stupid he doesn't understand the consequences. Or so heartless he doesn't care.
She is what she is. Go getting and ruthless. It's quite simple to understand her.
But what he's done is much more malevolent.

I agree with you totally.

JSMill · 28/09/2024 14:39

StrawberryWasp · 28/09/2024 13:51

The narrative developing that M is toxic and Harry is a good guy who can be rehabilitated without her, is making me cross.

I hold him more accountable for the vicious self absorbed public unkindness to his family than her. Because they are his family.
He should have had more loyalty, more care more love for these people who've been in his whole life than we could ever expect M to have.

Ok she's obviously a determined hard nosed women who wants what she wants and doesn't let others get in her way. Fair enough. Maybe not the nicest women ever but they are qualities that get you somewhere. (E.g. bagging a Prince). But equally you may seem a bit of a bitch to others.

So you can understand her ditching and dissing his family. They were inconvenient to her aims & oersonally they are unimportant to her.

But for him to do this? It's the deepest worst betrayal. Hurting those you've loved, who are closest to you, attacking them so publicly accusing them of the worst things, when you know they can't defend themselves, when they are at vulnerable points in their lives.
It's unforgivable. Someone who will betray his own family, hurt them so much in the way he has is someone who can never be trusted again.

He's either so weak he can be manipulated to do this terrible thing. Or he's so self absorbed he doesn't empathise with those he supposedly loves. Or so stupid he doesn't understand the consequences. Or so heartless he doesn't care.

She is what she is. Go getting and ruthless. It's quite simple to understand her.

But what he's done is much more malevolent.

This poor Harry, she's so evil stuff is just wrong imo.

I totally agree with you. It's a very bad sign of his character that it took so little for him to turn on his family like that. I would point though that M dropped her father like a hot potato when it suited her and has gone totally non contact with him, even when he had a stroke.

Lifestooshort71 · 28/09/2024 14:47

If one could work out the number of hours this year that their children had neither parent at home, I wonder how that compares to a standard family in the UK where both parents work full time and their children are in wraparound weekly care, albeit with a grandparent (Doria in their case) doing a regular shift? There may not be much in it. I'm always wary of judging people's childcare arrangements as we don't know all the facts (and it's none of our business, tbh).

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Twistybranch · 28/09/2024 14:48

American media outlet:

https://pagesix.com/2024/09/28/royal-family/inside-prince-harrys-bid-to-become-a-global-statesman/

How the HR meghan story overtook Harry’s new PR drive. Oh well

Exclusive | Prince Harry debuted his reinvention in NYC, but it was ‘hijacked’ by ‘Duchess Difficult’ Meghan

Prince Harry acted the true statesman during his whirlwind trip to NYC – but his trip was “highjacked” by Meghan Markle, sources said.

https://pagesix.com/2024/09/28/royal-family/inside-prince-harrys-bid-to-become-a-global-statesman

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Hiji · 28/09/2024 14:56

That's a dreadful articl for them both - I thought page6 was H&M friendly - is that not where the 5 friends - spontaneously without MM knowledge - placed their story a few years back?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/09/2024 15:21

The narrative developing that M is toxic and Harry is a good guy who can be rehabilitated without her, is making me cross
I hold him more accountable for the vicious self absorbed public unkindness to his family than her. Because they are his family
He should have had more loyalty, more care more love for these people who've been in his whole life than we could ever expect M to have

I agree completely, @StrawberryWasp, and have often said much the same.
However if Harry still wants a reconciliation with his family, it might - just might - have occurred to him that the only way to do this is to chuck his wife overboard, remembering that the RF have a history of heaping all the blame onto the women who've led their precious men astray

And no, that wouldn't reflect well on him either, but I've not the least doubt that plenty would be happy to go along with it

Needanewname42 · 28/09/2024 15:41

You can picture how he'll spin that round though. "Meg wasn't happy....I went along with the move to make the marriage work....really regret the book etc"

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Twistybranch · 28/09/2024 15:45

Hiji · 28/09/2024 14:56

That's a dreadful articl for them both - I thought page6 was H&M friendly - is that not where the 5 friends - spontaneously without MM knowledge - placed their story a few years back?

No that was People.

Page Six is part of the NYPost- they follow a lot of H&M shenanigans…they are usually critical of them. They led the criticism of their infamous NY car chase. The comments section is always good too.

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Onlyonekenobe · 28/09/2024 16:13

He's either so weak he can be manipulated to do this terrible thing. Or he's so self absorbed he doesn't empathise with those he supposedly loves. Or so stupid he doesn't understand the consequences. Or so heartless he doesn't care.

Probably some of all the above.

As for the RF bringing him back into the fold: better to have your enemies inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in, as he has been. They’ll give him just enough to bring him back and keep him in line/hock to them. Meghan would be unfortunate collateral damage, but as they have children she wouldn’t be treated badly.

Uricon2 · 28/09/2024 16:14

I have no time for Meghan but won't buy any future narrative that demonises her while promoting Saint Harry the Hapless Victim. He was a fully grown man (not a teenager like his mother) and has fully participated in a toxic narrative about his own family. If he was too weak to correct/clarify things, or he went along with choices he knew could backfire, that's on him. Of course this is in addition to repeatedly putting the boot in himself, unless of course he was chained up in one of the 16 Montecito bathrooms while Meghan wrote Spare.

Hughs · 28/09/2024 16:25

Completely agree @Uricon2 and Charles and William will go way down in my estimation if there is any attempt to rehabilitate Harry at Meghan's expense, especially as there are children involved.

Fine to bring him back quietly and let him live somewhere while keeping his trap shut, but no involvement in public life thank you, I don't want to know any more ins and outs of his life and I don't want to hear excuses and justification for what he's done, as I don't think much if any of it can be excused or justified really.