Hollywood Reporter - Meghan and Harry

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Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle (hollywoodreporter.com)

Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

I've seen people suicidal over bullying, it's not easy to be broken down and then have to find a new job because someone has broken you - she sounds toxic and to be honest she should have been denied any support if she treated people so abysmally

They wont be that bothered directly by the DM, as they hate that paper anyway and will always say they have targeted Meghan.

But, the NYPost/page six follows the DM closely on articles published about these two ….and then they will be pissed because it’s the US public they care about

I think he is probably more the classic public school boy who is wealthy, good looking, athletic and popular. Very charming to the people who are from the same background and interests, who he sees as equals and friends. The ones he wants to be associated with.
these boys can be extremely unpleasant and mocking to those who aren't so sporty, wealthy, good looking or popular. They grow up into men who form groups of braying hooray henries who move in packs and intimidate weaker, or what they consider "beta" people. Or you are just invisible to them.

there were many of these types at the public school I attended and I know it well. Think of Chuck Bass in Gossip Girl.

these boys when they turn into men can either marry a girl of a similar mentality or someone more sensible, like Kate. Then they either carry on being hooray Henry arseholes or become a more pleasant member of society. And they grow up themselves. Or a terrible tragedy occurs at a critical age and leave them emotionally "stuck" in the mentality of a teenage boy at Eton...

hence those people Harry considers "on a level" will get lovely, charming Harry. Other people he considers "sad", inferior etc won't find him quite so charming. Such as the matron at school. And the public he meets are of no consequence so he's just polite and charming as he has been brought up.

It’s very likely the original piece in the Hollywood Reporter was written or sourced by a Brit if you look at the language used.

And anyway, how different is it to Prince Andrew being a nightmare to work with but that was hushed up for years?

I don’t underhand the point of the question, how different is it to andrew? It’s not a competition to see who is the worst her or andrew. Andrew os a known arrogant entitled twat, they are both awful humans in their own way,🤷🏻‍♀️

You're 'neutral' about the whole thing yet you've analysed the language of the article?

OK...

And the HR is a respected industry source which has been around for almost a century. You really think this article is based on the opinion of a single 'Brit'? It's obvious that they are impossible to work with and that Hollywood has turned against them. As a 'neutral' person, surely you can see this?

Headline DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13849229/Meghan-Markle-leaves-staff-terrified.html

Story in Sun:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/30431095/meghan-markle-dubbed-duchess-difficult/

The Sun headline:

which highlights what I said yesterday- that all his birthday statements are about his kids and charities but not specifically about meghan…which is weird:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/30431112/prince-harry-spare-heir-meghans-plus-one/

It also says that his bodyguard is his bestie and weird bit about Elton John….they don’t seem that close anymore by the sounds of it

You know they have British members of staff working in America?
Including the head bodyguard who is Harry’s new bestie

I don't think your final paragraph is accurate but I agree with a lot of the rest. (Although I'm not neutral about Harry, I think he is entitled and arrogant and I blame him for not helping Meghan understand what she was getting into and adjusting her expectations because no one outside the family can really grasp what it's like.)

I think it unfair to say posters automatically claim people are members of the Squad when they say favourable or neutral things. The Squad do tend to use certain key words and phrases which can be obvious even with name changes. They also tend to use arguments about events from a few years ago or claim things that simply aren't true, eg the Sussexes are the most popular royals when they clearly aren't.

But I agree that far too much time is given to extrapolating from a single moment in time in a photo or a brief, often edited clip in a video. (To be fair the Sussex Squad do it to Catherine and Camilla as well.) It's impossible to really know what someone is like from their public persona and I don't think we have posters who have met them in private. Those of us with RBF know that our expression doesn't necessarily reflect our thinking.

Having said that I do think that the weight of evidence is that Harry and Meghan are not easy people to work for, and never have been in Harry's case. The story of him punching his body guard when young and his story in Spare about staff in tears, indicate to me that this is someone who expects his own way. At the moment, when things seem to not be living up to his expectations, I should imagine the frustration isn't making either of them easier to work for.

I don’t get his statement, continue to show up and do good in the world. When is the last time Harry showed up and did good in the world. If anything Harry shows up and does incredible damage.

however we can’t ignore the media vultures are circling. They clearly know something they don’t wish to write..

and that old tag line from days of yore on MN, 'what about Andrew',

It’s very likely the original piece in the Hollywood Reporter was written or sourced by a Brit if you look at the language used.

Benjamin Svetkey is American actually. Born in New York.

The lengths posters go to, to try and blame the British media and/or Royal Family for everything is astounding.

This is so true. Again Spare illustrates this perfectly. I went to a University full of Hooray Henry types and saw that pattern. There were some matured over the 3 years, but many didn't. Harry is probably one of the latter group.

Interesting the uptick in the use of 'charming' to describe Harry. I personally think it's a word that has both positive and negative connotations.

Didn't notice the so called use of British words, maybe it's actually Harry throwing Megan under the bus, 'I'm lovely, my wife is a bitch'.

So we have:

’Duchess Difficult’
’Sussex Survivors Club’
Staff crying at their desks
An investigation into bullying of palace staff
A revolving door of staff both here and in US
A falling out with nearly the entire family on both sides
Lying in court.
Lying on TV
(I could go on)

And we are supposed to believe that they are the victims and it’s always someone else’s fault? oh do c’mon!!

’If everyone else is always the problem, maybe the problem isn’t everyone else’

I do believe ‘recollections may vary’ is a certainty.😊

👏a very succinct summary.

Yes I was surprised by that comment, not only was it erroneous but Illogical at its core.

i don’t get the oh it must have been written by a Brit, we all know the terrible publicity Harry and Megan have in the us, South Park anyone? Its way worse than here in the uk and multiple articles and celebs slagging them off.

and the what about andrew thing, its like it’s ok as Andrew is a lying paedo? Um what now?

I notice PA name being dropped into a few discussions today, in a totally irrelevant manner. 😱😱.

Diversion tactics again.

It’s written by American writers but one of the sources could be British. They use the word ‘fuming’ …which I’m not sure, but I don’t think Americans use that word?

That does feel British to me. But they do have a number of British staff.

I wonder if there are any recordings of the bullying? The media certainly seem much more emboldened to report the bullying claims

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it could also be Canadian, Australian,NZ, Irish, they all use vocab that are not necessarily widely used in the US, also could be someone who previously worked within an organisation from any of those countries, or who has close ties, watched British TV etc etc.

Edited to add, could also be someone who works with Harry picking up his vocab.

True

But to me it feels british, can’t explain why. I know they have British staff too

I’ll even go one further, from reading the Sun article, they don’t seem that close to Elton anymore ……….

Elton is sending flowers….which I suspect he does with absolutely everybody.

It’s hardly a thoughtful gift for turning 40, from the man who has in the past looked out for them, let them on his plane, use his holiday home. Who was close to his mum.

Im guessing a falling out over the Pearl thing that was rejected by Netflix?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/elton-john-snubs-prince-harrys-33667910.amp

😳

I'm not convinced "fuming" is necessarily exclusively British, but even if it is, the (unpalatable to some) fact is that this piece is in the Hollywood Reporter. People have been saying for years that while the British Press is far from perfect, wait until the US media starts having a go. Harry has been so obsessed with his fight with the Mail that I doubt he saw this coming.