Hollywood Reporter - Meghan and Harry

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Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle (hollywoodreporter.com)

Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

I wouldn't worry too much about them looks like 99% of previous supporters have now actually seen the light - even the most prolific over the years have withdrawn assuming they felt it was like a relentless game of whack-a-mole trying to defend H&M words and actions.

From my observations looks to be only 2 or 3 posters who keep plugging away here nowadays but I expect everyone has their own threshold of unacceptable behaviour and see things that jar at different points.

I myself was very supportive of their relationship and marriage - had great hopes for a RF refresh, diversity and genuinely happy for PH. Loved the wedding, her style and charisma.

Others saw stuff on the engagement interview - I didnt see that.

I was alarmed at the overt and covert racist and misogynistic coverage in some of the tabloid media and understood there was a concurrent dark SM body growing.

I did see the RF and other groups (MPs) call this out (UK tabloids - cant seem to tackle SM) and see the racist element subside in the UK tabloids (but maybe it just became more covert?).

Where things took a left turn for me was the Tom Bradbury interview in SA. It just jarred - seemed manipulative and fake - the 'desperate' and 'searching' eyes didnt for me ring true - I got the sense that underneath she was triumphant and it was totally tasteless to bleat on in that impoverished country.

I had/have no issue for them leaving to live a different life. But it jarred that they jumped the gun with their announcment saying they were doing half in half out and collaborating with HMTQ without prior agreement.

Then the relentless onslaught of interviews, books, documentaries etc full of revenge and bile - alongside the revelations of their appaling behaviour to their staff whilst in the RF just turned me off. Put all of that alongside the self serving hypocracy of their puffy word salad charity efforts with zero traction or substance - its now just mostly cringe entertainment - until you hear yet again about the hugely negative inpact and deep emotional harm this couple continue to inflict on the lives of others.

I think Harry was in lust rather than in love. The people I have loved haven't just been physically attractive to me, I've loved their humour, their integrity, their work ethic, their kindness etc.

The whole Oprah and Sarandos at Tyler Perry party is a business arrangment.

Both OW and TS are protecting their investment. They dont care about H&M as human beings - they are not friends - they are keeping close for the next big commercial opportuniy with these two - which will always be about RF dirt or their divorce ... its not about supporting any of H&M commericial ventures.

OW and TS would have arranged the paps for the 3 cars and not for any of their other guests.

That part struck me also @MrsLeonFarrell and I completely agree with you.
It’s also a huge reason why I believe that they’ll continue to have more failures than successes in their ventures.

Where things took a left turn for me was the Tom Bradbury interview in SA. It just jarred - seemed manipulative and fake - the 'desperate' and 'searching' eyes didnt for me ring true - I got the sense that underneath she was triumphant and it was totally tasteless to bleat on in that impoverished country.

It was a turning point for me as well as it was just so tone deaf - everything since just seem to get worse and worse.

There's just so many examples caught on camera of Meghan being just rude - but I don't think entire mess is all her fault by any means.

I do think though that Hollywood is turning on them now because they've not been the expected cash cow and if they had been a lot of this wouldn't be coming out.

I honestly don’t understand how anyone can deliberately pretend they see something else to try to excuse all out blatant rudeness. It is undeniably clear what’s happening there. The woman is clearly talking to Megan who is rudely ignoring her. And Catherine sees her do it. It shocks me to the core anyone would try to lie to cover it up.

I’ve seen a few videos now of Megan treating different people appallingly. I genuinely believe she’s something wrong with her. How on earth can anyone treat someone so unutterably rudely .

Slight derail since it's about Sarah Ferguson but here's an article in the Spectator by Julie Burchill.

"Long before Harry and Meghan decided to let the Firm down big-time with their grasping and lazy behaviour, Fergie was the template."

There certainly are many similarities - I hadn't realised how many fake awards Fergie had accumulated:

"the gongs just kept on coming; in 2022 the Global Humanitarian award at the 25th Magna Grecia Awards and in 2023 the Red Cross International Award in recognition of her philanthropic activities."

I can't imagine who goes to these "award" ceremonies - I'd need to be paid a very significant sum to sit there resisting the urge to poke needles in my eyes, laugh at the wrong times and end with a slow clap.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-enduring-ghastliness-of-sarah-ferguson/?utmmedium=email&utmmsource=CampaignMonitorEditorial&utmmcampaign=BLND%20%2020240916%20%20HOUSE%20ADS%20%20IH+CID_eced4ca8119ad7dc5efe0b900678c12b

I think she is someone who is unable to look interested in something she is not. Gill Brook looks as though she is trying to explain something (maybe about Wimbledon or the court, who knows) and Meghan doesn’t give a flying fuck and is unable to even try to be interested. This shows in the video with the bereaved South African mother too. And also Trooping the Colour on the balcony when she was facing the wrong way. She has no genuine interest in other people or in history, culture etc

sorry, meant to link this to Sparkly’s post above

I believe it would also help if they dropped the attempt to be half in half out royalty and became content with being celebrities. They are never going to achieve equal status with the working royals from outside the system because they simply don't have the political clout that underlies a visit from a working royal representing the monarch and the country. They could however be very successful in the world of the celebrity charity circuit, if they could stick to one or two areas of interestand stopped hopping on bandwagons.

Any update on African Parks ?

@ThatAvidViewer looks like we will need a new thread .

I would say, both. She looked deeply scared at the Windsor fouresome walkabout.

I think Valentine Low’s comments are pretty spot on. Personally, I have believed for a long time that both M&H suffer from some combination of mental ill-health, personality disorder, neurodivergence and substance abuse issues that have come together in an incredibly unfortunate way. Harry is of well below average intelligence as well. Sadly, for them and those around them, they both completely lack insight into their behaviour and thus will continue wreaking havoc. If they hadn’t been so cruel to so many people I’d feel sorry for them, because it must actually be quite difficult to be so paranoid and confused (Harry) and so unable even to mimic a normal, compassionate human being (Meghan).

The footage in SA is quite something and I really feel there’s more to it than Meghan being horrible - she’s following a script in her head that she’s created, telling her she’ll look (look being the operative word, it’s for photographs) MORE compassionate and relatable if she makes the women sit on the floor. She is thrown when the bereaved mother talks to her and can’t divert from the script. Add to that the inappropriate clothing choice and it’s painfully clear she’s listened to no advice at all. She can’t get past the photo opportunity, the people aren’t real to her. Then the Tom Bradby interview - more narcissistic icing on the insane cake - nothing that she’d heard or that happened on the trip itself could have diverted her from saying those things to him because it was all in her script.

I remember writing on here ages ago, can you imagine Diana ever behaving like that? Not in a million years, because her compassion was
totally genuine. She’d have got down on the floor with women in a heartbeat if they had wanted her to but she would never have done anything to make them uncomfortable. She’d have listened to the woman’s story with full attention. She had a gift for meeting people where they were. Meghan’s behaviour is a distorted facsimile of that and Meghan herself doesn’t seem to get it. There’s some kind of chip missing and she doesn’t understand.

Yes they did wish her a happy 40th. A few months after she went after them in the Oprah video. She spent her 40th taking the piss out of the Queen with her friend, Melissa MacCarthy in the 40x40 promo (that of course amounted to a big fat zero).

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I agree with all you say here - and Diana, for all her faults (and I'm no super-fan), had a genuine interest in others and it shone through. She did a lot of things quietly for her charities, not just on showy occasions. She was also great with children - she'd chosen to be a nanny/nursery teacher, after all - and they responded to her. I think Catherine is similarly good with youngsters. She doesn't push things, she just smiles, shows an interest and they warm to her.

Meghan, on the other hand, isn't a natural with children. I'm not either - but in Meghan's chosen role she needs to be, and there are far too many shots of her either ignoring children, given them the evils or playing a person who likes children (as in the awful SA video) but it's just for the optics. On the Invictus Canada trip she made a big deal about having her photograph taken with a boy in a wheelchair, grinning and simpering for the camera, but then walked away afterwards without having spoken to or acknowledged the actual child. It's on film, and is very telling about her mercenary attitude.

Definitely, although it will never be as A-listers now. The A-list celebs are distancing themselves from them by the looks of things.

She has no genuine interest in other people or in history, culture etc

Quite. Leaving aside her mercenary attitude to people, one of the reasons I can't bear Meghan and her self-aggrandising behaviour, is that she seems to be a complete cultural philistine. As far as I know, she has shown no interest in theatre/art/music/dance which is very odd for someone who's been a performer herself. You never see that H & M have attended an art exhibition, museum, orchestral concert a lecture or a play at the theatre. I've never heard Meghan talk seriously about a novel or a writer she loves either, despite her recent word-salad blatherings at the exclusive bookshop recently.

I value the arts, history and culture enormously and I mistrust people in positions of power and influence who don't. I'm so unimpressed by them both - they're a pair of ignorant gits.

The thing I noticed about the South Africa video where she pushed everyone to sit on the floor was that a number of the ladies were wearing smart fitted skirts, not too short, but would ride up a lot and make it difficult to sit elegantly. They seemed very awkward and uncomfortable and it wouldn't have been modest for them. There were cameras everywhere and frankly I would have been a bit concerned about flashing.

I can totally understand Meghan not wanting to be on all the time, but she trained as an actress, she could have done better. I know it can be mentally exhausting but she seems to throw herself into this stuff.

I think you’re spot on there.

One thing Harry was always credited with despite not being book smart was emotional intelligence. I'm not convinced he does, but I think he absorbed a lot of how to interact with people from members of the RF.

That got me looking - Fergie has done more charity work (including after her divorce) than I had realised. Much of it gets no coverage, but that doesn't seem to stop her

I can totally understand Meghan not wanting to be on all the time, but she trained as an actress, she could have done better. I know it can be mentally exhausting but she seems to throw herself into this stuff

Its hardly mentally exhausting to just be your genuine self , show an interest in people, which let's face it, isn't for hours and hours and be polite.

In this video, the lady in question is Jill Brook, wife of the then-Chairman of the All England club, and therefore a very important person at Wimbledon. She's also very user to entertaining distinguished guests and VIPs.

That got me looking - Fergie has done more charity work (including after her divorce) than I had realised. Much of it gets no coverage, but that doesn't seem to stop her

And one thing Fergie has never, ever done is publicly slag off or disrespect the RF. She and the Queen were on good terms in the last years of the Queen's life. She found the corgis the Yorks gave to the Queen, which supposedly brought her a great deal of pleasure and comfort.

Re H. being 'in lust', the Queen reportedly said he was 'a little too much in love' - and thus blind to any faults or failings that M. had.

I believe that they are on the UN program with PH in NYC next week?
Not sure if they are speaking together?