Hollywood Reporter - Meghan and Harry

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Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle (hollywoodreporter.com)

Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

Re: how could Harry not have known what she was like when he married her?

• they had a whirlwind romance, less than two years from meeting for the first time to being married, and much of it was conducted while she was living in Toronto and their relationship was a secret;
• long-distance with someone you're crazy in lust/love with is intoxicating and the secrecy around their relationship would've only added to that;
• she moved to London, they moved in together, they got engaged - that phase of their relationship happened in a matter of weeks;
• their body language at that time was all over each other - he clearly couldn't get enough of her;
• he was desperate to get married and have kids - he told reporters that he was jealous of what William had and couldn't wait to have that himself. And here she was - the woman of his dreams, the actress he'd lusted after when he saw her in Suits. He didn't want to wait, he didn't want her to be frightened off or things to go sour like they had with Chelsy and Cressida, he didn't want to listen to his brother urging caution, he didn't see his friends hating her as the red flag it should've been. He was on a mission to marry her and she was on a mission to snare a prince.

Well said. My thoughts exactly

I recall MM being interviewed at a red carpet do and she thought the interviewer was looking past her to see who was next (don't blame him). The mask totally slipped and she said some really sarcastic things - look on her face was really nasty.

I wish I could find it again!

The way California custody laws apply, Harry could never ever ever gain custody of his children to move them back to the UK, particularly if Meghan allowed it, but even more so if she fought with him. She has him by the balls, if he tries to leave he would never see them again. He won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.

source: complex family law calif attorney 25+ experience

I remember that too. I can't remember when or where though.

Yeh, the real her. I’d like to see that clip

Aren't the children technically in the custody of the monarch because of their position in the succession? They may be too far down now but that would really produce some interesting headlines if Charles was stupid enough to play that card, which I don't think he is.

I'm not convinced by the Harry is charming she is terrible narrative. I'm sure he is lovely to you on an engagement but I think there have been enough snippets over the years to show him a very different light behind the scenes. Plus the book and the interviews.

This does make me wonder though, why is the article trying to insert a good/bad wedge between them? Is this part of Harry starting to blame Meghan for everything (let's face it his whole narrative up to now had been that is all someone else's fault so why not turn on his wife?).

Obviously she isn't the easiest person to work for, or be related to come to that, but Harry isn't either. He blew up his life and it's on him.

There have been a few photos of her when the mask had slipped. She looks like a completely different person. It’s quite disturbing.

@Frenchcountryhomes I can imagine. Harry has made a terrible, terrible mistake. How he must miss the UK and his family x

I know Harry didn’t start Invictus on its own, but it does have some gravitas at least. The British public did hold him in huge affection in the past, and so it’s hard to see the way he’s behaved in the last few years.
I was so excited when he met MM - I couldn’t want to see the engagement interview but straight away said to my other half, she’s going to ruin him and his family.
This was a young woman with a truly unique opportunity, but unfortunately changing the world isn’t something you can do by just repeating word salad, and it involves a lot of hard work.
William and Catherine have kept it classy and played the long game, as the late Queen taught them.
I think Harry’s betrayal of Catherine has been the worst of all. She wasn’t born Royal, it wasn’t always easy for her, and she seemed to care for him very deeply. And she’s been paid back by having her character slandered, very seriously, too.
Luckily for us, her true character shines through. That family would be lost without her.

I'm not convinced by the Harry is charming she is terrible narrative. I'm sure he is lovely to you on an engagement but I think there have been enough snippets over the years to show him a very different light behind the scenes. Plus the book and the interviews.

I think this - though think she likely can be an extremely difficult person to deal at times.

There seems to be a lot of infantilized Harry a grown adult now 40 ffs and finding excuses for some of things he himself has put out to the world and his own behavior. There also a lot demonizing the "evil women" falling into that age old trope.

I suspect they just don't bring out the best in each other and their PR strategy hasn't been going well for years at this point.

Yes, exactly. And it was bad luck for Harry that the press got wind of the fact that he quickly slipped back to the UK for his relative's funeral. If it came to a messy divorce, Meghan could point to that as proof that their children would be at risk of kidnap and sudden removal to the UK if he was granted periods of sole custody. Because all that funeral visit did was prove that, despite Harry's protestations to the press, it's very easy for him to get into the UK with a minimum of fuss.

It's almost like someone deliberately leaked that story to the press in order to remind Harry that she has him by the short n curlies, so he'd better not do anything so silly as letting it be known that he'd like to reconcile with his family, ever again.

Ho hum!

If we all had a friend who as soon as he got married, lost contact and fell out with all his friends and family, we would call this an awful toxic relationship. Plus if the same friend's DW didn't speak to any of her family and didn't even visit her father when he had a heart attack (even though she can fly over his house to Columbia) we would call them vile. But people still defend them. This isn't a case of Harry just falling out with William, he doesn't speak to any of his former UK friends either. She has questioned everyone and everything about his former life, turning him against everything he grew up with. I still cant believe people blame Meghan's father for the fallout - it was a few pictures - no one prepared him for royal life, Harry is 100% to blame, didn't even bother meeting the poor guy. Meghan uses whoever is useful to climb the ladder. When she was trying out in acting she put 'Caucasian' on her CV, and now because she needs to champion the reason the BRF didn't like her was due to racism, she is now 'Nigerian' and sticks to her mother when in the spotlight, even though the same mother abandoned her for years. The bash for Harry's 40th is purely to raise their profile and highlight her position as a duchess. She found a great opportunity in him and he clearly followed his d**k. Typical man.

I would guess he’d have them for holidays and that would be part of the divorce settlement. Earl Spencer divorced his first wife who was living in S Africa and the children stayed with her. They most probably came to the UK regularly during school holidays. Harry has that role model.

More likely Harry leaked the story to put two fingers up to the RF. He’s clearly getting on well with the Spencer side and it’s two fingers up to his Dad and brother. That’s my take anyway.

If they separated, I have no doubt the kids would stay in California. It’s where they’ve been raised and only right that they stay there.

I think while the kids are young, they will remain together. When the kids get a little older, then Harry will spend more and more time in the UK and fly back across to see the kids.

By the time of his next big birthday (50) they won’t be together. I’ve always thought he would go on to have a second family too.

I completely missed the story about throwing cups of tea... where was that reported?

His mum’s sister, Lady Sarah, accompanied William on an official engagement to RAF Cranwell yesterday though. Doesn’t seem like the Spencer’s are being partisan. Also, the fact that Harry can come over for a memorial service and stay here without incident rather undermines his alleged security issues

Harry would have a lot fewer security issues if he hadn't boasted about killing human beings, and dressed like a Nazi, etc etc. Talk about someone who manufactures his own problems.

The PR offensive of the past week is now starting to make sense.

Yes I don’t mean the Spencer’s are taking sides. Not at all. I just think Harry wants to make Charles squirm.

And she can’t pretend that no one is reading the Hollywood reporter and haven’t seen what they’ve written about her.

The interview her friends just gave about the godmothers book store opening…...was with the Hollywood reporter!

why would he never see them again ? surely Californian law doesn't cut children off completely from their fathers in the event of divorce?

Can you link to any of these please?

This article will do her a lot of damage. Can't figure out why she is so unaware of how she appears. The picture of her cupping his face in her hands in Columbia before kissing him was so domineering.