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Hollywood Reporter - Meghan and Harry

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ThatAvidViewer · 12/09/2024 21:11

Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle (hollywoodreporter.com)

Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

Would you work for Harry and Meghan? Ex-employees say run away.

Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Harry and Meghan

Plus, how an Echo glitch turned Alexa into a “commie operative” and Dimitri, the million-dollar maitre ‘d, rides off into the Sunset (Tower).

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hollywood-keeps-quitting-prince-harry-meghan-markle-1235996963/

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Sparklywhiteteeth · 13/09/2024 11:46

Smirke · 13/09/2024 11:43

from someone who works for the Sussexes is that Harry's reaction to Catherine's videos was a lot of sobbing.

However his subsequent actions to put out the Polo Netflix announcement a few hours later dont indicate any compassion or respect. Same as their previous reactive communications.

Maybe he was sobbing for the sweet cousin relationships his own children will never had - and reminiscing of the large extended family that sustained and shaped him. You cant buy joy, love and connection that in your isolated, sterile, fake Monte-Shitshow mansion.

MM never had that experience as a child so she wouldnt know the essential warmth and emotional nourishment it provides.

The announcement was put out by Netflix, under their banner, he didn’t put anything out on it,

Twistybranch · 13/09/2024 11:48

Smirke · 13/09/2024 11:46

He has had many opporunities to make proactive and public amends - the racism stuff, correct Scobie, call off the Sussex Squad - but he let the kicking continue.

Even though meghan has previously said- the worst thing is to say nothing at all

Americanpseudoroyaltorture · 13/09/2024 11:48

Archewell is the producer of the Polo show. I doubt Netflix would have put out the announcement without Archewell's say so.

Apolloneuro · 13/09/2024 11:52

Smirke · 13/09/2024 11:46

He has had many opporunities to make proactive and public amends - the racism stuff, correct Scobie, call off the Sussex Squad - but he let the kicking continue.

Oh absolutely. I just think on some level he knows but is impotent and weak.

Cattery · 13/09/2024 11:56

pilates · 13/09/2024 11:27

H fell in lust with her so he wouldn’t have seen the personality flaws. She was pretty stunning then not so much now.

She’s had a lot of “help” with her appearance judging by photos of her from childhood

Americanpseudoroyaltorture · 13/09/2024 11:56

However his subsequent actions to put out the Polo Netflix announcement a few hours later dont indicate any compassion or respect. Same as their previous reactive communications.

As per above, this may well have been Meghan via Archewell Productions who are the producers of Polo. And clapping back/riding on royal coattails is what they do.

Cattery · 13/09/2024 11:59

She played on every insecurity he had. It was shocking to me how she attempted to emulate his mother by involving herself in charity work. She doesn’t have a charitable bone in her body. Everything she does is about self-promotion. Harry has made an enormous mistake and I’ve a feeling he knows it. Must’ve slowly dawned on him

Smirke · 13/09/2024 12:15

Cattery · 13/09/2024 11:59

She played on every insecurity he had. It was shocking to me how she attempted to emulate his mother by involving herself in charity work. She doesn’t have a charitable bone in her body. Everything she does is about self-promotion. Harry has made an enormous mistake and I’ve a feeling he knows it. Must’ve slowly dawned on him

All the "Diana spoke to me at yoga", weeping and clawing at her headstone - just creepy, totally perfomative and fake to get right into his vulnerable pysche.

needingadviceandthoughts · 13/09/2024 12:23

If you have ever had a narcissist in your life then you know just how you get swallowed and consumed by them. There are numerous threads on the Relationships board about exactly this - the total consumption, the inability to break away, the delirium of being involved with them - the highs and lows. You believe that as a pair you are invincible and everyone else is wrong. It continues until the narcissist has had enough or you take that shit once too often. It's an extremely toxic relationship.

flapjackfairy · 13/09/2024 12:24

MidLifeMayhem · 13/09/2024 10:12

@Smirke This is probably the best short bullet point I have read around MM. The damsel in distress especially. You could see this starting to play out from when he issued a statement when their relationship first became public.

an even stronger tactic was presenting herself as Diana Mark 2.
Along with claiming to hear from Diana from beyond the grave of course.
Practically irresistible to a manchild who is still stuck.as a 12 yr old boy missing mummy.

flapjackfairy · 13/09/2024 12:30

pilates · 13/09/2024 11:27

H fell in lust with her so he wouldn’t have seen the personality flaws. She was pretty stunning then not so much now.

I agree she looked so much better then. Is it that she has changed or is it the fact that the inner ugliness shows through now?

Smirke · 13/09/2024 12:31

I am surprised she is letting him off alone on a boys holiday - unless she has preselected the boys - or unless she is done with him and happy for them to influence him to leave.

Frenchcountryhomes · 13/09/2024 12:32

The way he looks at her sometimes speaks volumes. It's a sort of sidelong look full of 'what the fuck have I done, and who is this person' .

Frenchcountryhomes · 13/09/2024 12:32

Smirke · 13/09/2024 12:31

I am surprised she is letting him off alone on a boys holiday - unless she has preselected the boys - or unless she is done with him and happy for them to influence him to leave.

She's probably desperate to be rid of him.

Cattery · 13/09/2024 12:36

Smirke · 13/09/2024 12:15

All the "Diana spoke to me at yoga", weeping and clawing at her headstone - just creepy, totally perfomative and fake to get right into his vulnerable pysche.

💯 She knew exactly what she was doing. Now he’s not only given up his family but he’s been complicit in reviling them for a blatant opportunist. I bet she can’t believe her luck that he was so easily manipulated

IcedPurple · 13/09/2024 12:38

GiveMeSpanakopita · 13/09/2024 08:14

My take on this:

  1. Hollywood Reporter is impeccably well sourced and read by everyone, but EVERYONE, in the entertainment industry. This is really bad for Meghan in terms of contacts and networks in LA.
  2. I suspect this was partially leaked by their new head of comms who resigned after 3 months. The timing and the content fits...he quit and wants everyone in his network to know why. Smart dude.
  3. Piece looks like it has more than one source so I think HR has spoken to 3 maybe 4 people who've worked with the Sussexes
  4. Interesting that the Sussexes only declined to comment. That suggests they saw the allegations in full before publication and concluded there was no defamation case they could make
  5. I suspect that the footage of Meghan at that posh bookstore was deliberately released this week to try to take attention away from this HR article because they would've known it was coming
  6. This is vindication for the UK tabloids. Meghan and Harry had some success a few years ago in claiming that the UK press stories about Meghan's difficult behaviour were smear campaigns driven purely by racism and sexism. Harder for that excuse to stand when very similar stories are now being reported by an entirely separate publication in the US

Handbags at dawn at Montecito? I think so!

Excellent summary.

I'd also add that Hollywood will tolerate and indulge all sorts of obnoxious behaviour, provided the person makes money for them. The Sussexes don't. That's why HR has no hesitation in publishing such a damming article. Hollywood has clearly given up on the Sussexes, if they ever believed in them in the first place. They're finished.

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Smirke · 13/09/2024 12:50

IcedPurple · 13/09/2024 12:38

Excellent summary.

I'd also add that Hollywood will tolerate and indulge all sorts of obnoxious behaviour, provided the person makes money for them. The Sussexes don't. That's why HR has no hesitation in publishing such a damming article. Hollywood has clearly given up on the Sussexes, if they ever believed in them in the first place. They're finished.

Imagine the narcisstic rage in their house today - and wonder who is geting the brunt of it.

I would imagine that the Hollywood Reporter specifically coming out with this would be intensely shameful for MM - her whole house of cards collapsing and her nasty and fragile ego exposed.

Now 'toast' in Tinseltown.

Sparklywhiteteeth · 13/09/2024 12:57

Frenchcountryhomes · 13/09/2024 12:32

The way he looks at her sometimes speaks volumes. It's a sort of sidelong look full of 'what the fuck have I done, and who is this person' .

This is valid, it used to be all loved up looks. Now there is a lot of discomfort in how he looks at her, irrelevant of how they play it publicly, the honey moon period is over,

alwayslemons · 13/09/2024 13:06

Greentreesandbushes · 13/09/2024 08:20

Reading this thread is so depressing. Why so much hate for someone that you don’t know?

Also have you had a conversation with Harry in real life? I have, he was charming.

Most people can be charming when they want to be. That in itself doesn’t mean much.

I knew someone who went to school with Harry and was bullied relentlessly. There’s plenty we don’t know. But when you’re haemorrhaging staff for six years straight and alienate everyone in your life, you really have to look at the common factors.

Let’s be honest, it’s unlikely to be a series of unfortunate coincidences.

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 13/09/2024 13:10

Twistybranch · 13/09/2024 07:52

Yes, I seen that. That Harry was a gentleman and Meghan was stand offish

Wasn’t she rude to rebels mum as well?

I saw an interview where that was mentioned - Rebel Mum asked Meghan where her children were at some red carpet event think it was taken as a dig whereas Rebel thought it was meant as conversation starter expecting parents to gush about their kids.

Quite a few older press photographers/reporters from old press pack have been saying for months that Harry used to be very happy and charming round them and seemed excited on trips - it's easy to charm though when all you have to do it turn up and be charming in short bursts.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 13/09/2024 13:22

Serenster · 13/09/2024 11:28

There are snippets of information from Spare that i think shows Harry was in conscious denial about his wife’s actions. Firstly when he mentions the fraught working environment in there office, describing it neutrally - as though tempers fraying, criticism not being viewed as constructive and people stretched across desks crying are things that just happen in workplaces, rather than things being caused by a toxic culture. Then there’s how angry the conversation gets when William talks to him about Meghan’s attitude to their staff.

Plus Val Low reported that when Harry found out Jason Knauff had made an official report about Meghan bullying staff - reportedly he tried to get him to retract it.

These sound like someone who knows there is an issue but has decided to turn a blind eye to it. Because what were his choices? At that stage, he was all in with Meghan, for better or for worse.

These sound like someone who knows there is an issue but has decided to turn a blind eye to it.

Or like someone so entitled and arrogant that they don't see 'the staff' as people worthy of equal respect.

Harry's entitlement and arrogance were known by 'people in the know' before Meghan, but it wasn't as bad then. It seems that she brings out the worst in him.

However it's telling that he saw fit to repeat these events to his ghost writer - he obviously didn't think that making members of staff cry was something to be particularly ashamed of.

I've never made any of my (handful of) employees cry, thank god. But if I had, my priority would be making it right and modifying my behaviour so I never did it again. I would certainly be too ashamed to tell anyone about it. Much less put it in a book.

cheezncrackers · 13/09/2024 13:26

Meghan is still relatively young, she is very beautiful, has a great natural flair and style and she is wise and has a strong character of her own. Her image is perfect for commercial endorsements and high-end fashion and lifestyle brands. I doubt there would be a producer or casting director in the world who would not want her for a role in a movie, TV series, commercial or brand campaign.

Now she holds the title HRH The Duchess of Sussex she has a hallmark that no money can buy. Even today, after three years of not working with her, we are bombarded with offers. She can name her price.

What sort of money could they earn if they really did decide to exploit their full commercial potential? To put it crudely, they would command top dollar. I know the market well. My agency, Kruger Cowne, represents clients for public speaking, hosting and publishing, but we also handle branding, television, music and much else. Many of our clients earn six- and seven-figure sums a year. But Meghan and Harry could do that in a heartbeat, and go on to rival such internationally known figures as Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, Beyoncé and the Obamas.

Given this (from the second article by Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne), it makes it all the more astounding how much the pair of them managed to fuck things up!

Back in 2020 they had the world at their feet. Out of the RF and all its strictures and able to sign whatever commercial deals they wanted, if only they'd 'gone high' and not sold their royal tales of woe they could, potentially, have been hugely successful by now.

Instead, I'm really not sure where they go from here. They're eye-wateringly wealthy by most people's standards - multiple millions of dollars in the bank and more coming to Harry this week courtesy of the Queen Mother - but the kind of success and commercial appeal and longevity that GNC was describing is not at all what they've achieved.

Frenchcountryhomes · 13/09/2024 13:32

Serenster · 13/09/2024 11:28

There are snippets of information from Spare that i think shows Harry was in conscious denial about his wife’s actions. Firstly when he mentions the fraught working environment in there office, describing it neutrally - as though tempers fraying, criticism not being viewed as constructive and people stretched across desks crying are things that just happen in workplaces, rather than things being caused by a toxic culture. Then there’s how angry the conversation gets when William talks to him about Meghan’s attitude to their staff.

Plus Val Low reported that when Harry found out Jason Knauff had made an official report about Meghan bullying staff - reportedly he tried to get him to retract it.

These sound like someone who knows there is an issue but has decided to turn a blind eye to it. Because what were his choices? At that stage, he was all in with Meghan, for better or for worse.

The thing is, he doesn't know what's normal. He's been brought up in a strange bubble with everything done for him. He's felt alienated and sidelined for years within that system. He's seen his beloved mother suffer within that system and speak out very vocally about it. He feels his mother died because of negligence, but he isn't too sure who was responsible, but he suspects its the Press, because the Palace didn't shut the Press down or stop them chasing her. He also feels that lack of security was an issue. I don't get the impression anyone really talked to him in a straight way about any of these things, they were brushed under the carpet. In some way he still has a child's understanding of the events that shaped his life. He went along with the system for years, but underneath he was a very angry, disturbed young man with poor boundaries and no strong role models. He seems to have had aides who he was close to at times who acted as father figures, but when he married, he lost all that.

Along comes a gorgeous worldly woman when he least expects it, and after a couple of failed long term relationships with women who didn't want the hassle of marrying into his family. I think he had probably been longing for a family of his own and a woman who adored him , not least because he watched William's life and envied it. So he fell for Meghan hook line and sinker because she pressed all his buttons and promised him the earth. There was no shirking from taking on the role within the RF either. I bet he couldn't believe his luck. When William expressed concerns, he viewed these reservations as jealousy and an attempt to undermine him. Perhaps because Meghan suggested this herself.

She has worked him like a puppet from day one, feeding his insecurities, playing on his fears, exploiting the memory of his mother for her own ends. I don't actually think he knows which way is up anymore, what the truth is, what's going on in his own life. On these fake foreign tours he looks like he doesn't know what's hit him. He looks dazed, confused and bewildered. I don't know what it will take to make him wake up, but I suspect she will leave him and then the walls will fall down.

Twistybranch · 13/09/2024 13:47

Smirke · 13/09/2024 12:31

I am surprised she is letting him off alone on a boys holiday - unless she has preselected the boys - or unless she is done with him and happy for them to influence him to leave.

I got the feeing he’s checking out a little. Like how he was seen in the Colombia tour and Meghan, being busy with other stuff, probably thinks this will be a good idea. I’d imagine he’s a right grump at times

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