Hollywood Reporter - Meghan and Harry

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Why Hollywood Keeps Quitting on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle (hollywoodreporter.com)

Why’d they all leave? What explains the churn? “Everyone’s terrified of Meghan,” claims a source close to the couple. “She belittles people, she doesn’t take advice. They’re both poor decision-makers, they change their minds frequently. Harry is a very, very charming person — no airs at all — but he’s very much an enabler. And she’s just terrible.”

The assistant is still there, Ashley Hansen, she's head of global comms for Archewell, and was on their Nigerian and Colombia trips and at the ESPYs. There was a mysterious Times article around 23/12/23 suggesting she was gone, which was pulled within hours of publication.

Your point about MM having form for bullying behaviour pre-dating her RF experience reported by the Reitmans director is critical.

Also the subtle and carefully chosen words of Gina Nelthorpe-Crowne - her agent for many years.

She also has very close old friends and family who have described a dark side of her character.

Its been consistent and persistent.

Where it is confusing to others is her ability to charm - so some people have only seen that side of her - she is classic 'Kiss up, Kick down" - I am sure she was impeccably behaved and a thoughtful colleague on Suits because she was not the star (2 mins per episode) - she was kissing up.....however her ex colleagues have suggested that she has since discarded them.

It might be a moment to re look again at the words of the Markle siblings with fresh eyes (and a huge pinch of salt) just to get a flavour of what they were hinting at.

weird bit about Elton John….they don’t seem that close anymore by the sounds of it

Internet rumour has it they were caught insulting his appearance and chortling they only kept in touch with him to blag his private jet as and when they wanted it. No idea if it's true but if it is I'm surprised Elton's even bothering sending generic flowers. Maybe it's a petrol station bunch 😁

https://www.quora.com/What-did-Meghan-and-Harry-get-caught-saying-about-Elton-John-on-his-recording

There's a video clip of MM at Invictus Germany where a little child keeps touching her and playing with her hair. Her face changing between utter loathing and pretending to be amused is quite something else - it's very Jekyll and Hyde.

I don’t know how they thought they could keep her behaviour under wraps

They have so many eyeballs on them….hence the only reason why they got the Netflix deals etc

But it also means you can’t hid who you are. When it came out here- she blames the racist British press …but she can’t do that there.

Is she going to get cancelled?…...well like Ellen, who cultivated a ‘be kind’ image when in fact she was a twat, meghan has promoted this joyful, grateful, victim, sorority girl act that we know isn’t true….but America is also finding out isn’t true…..but in fact, like Ellen, she’s a twat.

But I don’t think she’ll get cancelled until we see a video or audio unfortunately

I do think the HR is so powerful, that they will struggle with their production company to get hires but…maybe HR already know this and that they are struggling so that why the decided to publish. That everyone knows the Netflix deal is done.

You obviously know far more about Meghan’s “besties” than I do!

interesting, never knew that.

Something has definitely gone on, he was always sticking up for them in the press etc but haven’t heard a beep for a couple of years now

Harry probably sees this as " bantz" - it's childish and immature. Perhaps as he has aged he has realised this.

No evidence of that in Spare. When he tells the story of the matron, he doesn't say 'I realise now what little shits we were'.

It's interesting that no stories have emerged about Meghan's time on Suits - or if they have I've missed them. Seems she can behave when she wants to or it's in her interests. She wasn't the star; the producers could easily have dropped her if there'd been complaints about her behaviour.

The thing about Elton. Is he’s not just wishing to care for Harry, but also William, simply as he liked their mother. The relationship is not deeper than this . They aren’t all mates.

Elton is both notoriously private and highly litigious. He doesn’t favour Harry over William or vice Versa, and he won’t want to be dragged into this sorry saga. He offered them his jet and home before they left. I can’t imagine for one movement he’s impressed by everything that’s went down since. The selling out of the royals, the bad blood, the bullying. The dishonesty.

i think it is safe to say the a list are turning away.

This is an important point. Megan it seems can charm when she wishes, but it appears drops people when they are of no more use to her.

there is something of the sociopath in that.

Isnt there also a story of him screaming racial abuse in the face of the French landlord of the Gloucestershire pub that he and his rowdy mates drank at regularly - and PH then being barred?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-94484/The-Rattlebone-Inn.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11607483/Pub-boss-Prince-Harry-branded-f-ing-frog-says-females-throw-royal.html

Elton and David were working on Pearl for the Netflix deal (well not Elton directly)

After H&M had left the UK and they had done the Oprah interview

An inaccurate definition (and one based on ignorance, or as a form of deflection) of the Karen is its misogynistic.

The Karen is merely the latest in a long line of monikers, going back four centuries, for entitled white women in america, who use their privilege to inflict harm on others.

Previously they were white women who told their partners about "the big bad black man" looking at me, which then resulted in his lynching. Today it refers to the white woman phoning the police on black people (the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_birdwatching_incident on the same day George Floyd was killed being the most high profile). However, today it has also taken on a broader meaning of being any woman in america who is difficult or demanding.

Markle grew up in this Karen culture, the difficult, demanding ("speak to the manager") american archetype. It is impossible therefore that she is not influenced by it.

We see how awful the american womens "soccer" team behave. Zero class. It's why everyone else rejoices when they lose. And it is made up of many races, so not just white woman. We cannot just pin the Karen behaviour on one race there. The Karen in its general and most toxic form applies to all races there.

This is what we see with Markle.

Cancelled from what? She has nothing to cancel....

From any and all future work that WME are trying the damndest to secure

I really hope that Meghan (and Harry) get a taste of their own medicine. I hope Archie and Lilibet want to know about their family in the U.K. It would be just desserts, if they decided to reach out to their Royal cousins and wider family and I’m pretty sure that they would be cautiously welcomed by William, Catherine (and the King if he is still alive) etc.

They could possibly become working members of the Royal Family, if they wished, after receiving proper tuition and support. It would serve their parents right, if they found out what a lying, conniving, manipulating person their mother is and how weak and pathetic their father is!

They have been plugging away for over 18 months now and I cant recall that they have secured anything yet?

WME have three huge hurdles to overcome:

1. She is known to be difficult to work with - well known within the industry before THR dared to publish. Big brands dont need the hassle.
2. She has proven to be serially inept and has limited talent to bring to any collaboration.
3. Her public reputation ratings are plummeting and high risk.

Very few of you will like this reply but honestly, the prevailing view on this thread that “everything H & M does is terrible, mendacious and bullying” and “everything the RF does is perfect” is ridiculously simplistic!

The RF are protected to some extent by the establishment bubble, but does no one remember Prince Philip’s racial slurs, how Princess Anne’s dog attacked two boys, bit the ear off another dog out hunting and attacked a housemaid’s knee? (Can you imagine the outrage now if Meghan’s dog had done that?) Princess Anne was allegedly rude to someone who gave her flowers.

And let’s not dwell on Prince Andrew or how Sophie and Fergie tried to sell exclusive access to the RF for cash! Or when Edward was spoiled and petulant with reporters?

I doubt very much that Princess Anne is all smiles and white doves when it comes to business matters and why should she be? Nor the late Queen for that matter!

Perhaps there’s no bad reports from Meghan’s behaviour during her time acting in Suits because she behaved well during that time? Like Prince Philip and Princess Anne, Edward and Sophie also had and have good sides to their personalities too.

My point is, I find it faintly ridiculous that all side is one thing and the other side is the exact opposite. Life experience surely tells you that most people are a blend of good and bad?

In the context of the outrageous egos in Hollywood, Elton John having had quite a big ego himself at one point, Meghan’s personality is probably no better or worse than many of them!

Above all, I wish we could focus our attention away from ALL of these privileged folk on both sides of the argument and look a bit more closely at the under-privileged sections of society who could actually do with more people focusing on them and their issues.

Up the (peaceful) revolution!

Wow. How lovely a sentiment; hoping that children will become estranged from their parents?

And apparently it’s Republicans who are cruel and unfeeling?

I am not a fan of the RF at all - total Republican.

I think you have just shot yourself in the foot.

The examples above prove that the RF are not wholely protected in a bubble as these incidents were reported.

And the links I shared were of vile behabiour by PH and his crew whilst he was in the RF.

I am not buying that he was some charmer before he left.

He was a vile racist bully.

I think you’re misunderstanding, it isn’t a competition, try not to see it as one, maybe step away to calm yourself? This is a thread discussion harry and Megan and some recent bad publicity , the clue is in the thread title. It is not a thread comparing them with the royals , or a race to the bottom.

maybe take some time away, then reread it, and see how you’ve misinterpreted?

In the context of the outrageous egos in Hollywood, Elton John having had quite a big ego himself at one point, Meghan’s personality is probably no better or worse than many of them!

Probably not, but as I said above, Meghan has completely failed to produce, so nobody is going to indulge her obnoxious behaviour. Elton is one of the most successful musicians ever, so you really can't compare.

However much you may wish to downplay it, the fact that this article has appeared in a major Hollywood publication is proof that they're finished in the industry, if indeed they had ever really started.

Above all, I wish we could focus our attention away from ALL of these privileged folk on both sides of the argument and look a bit more closely at the under-privileged sections of society who could actually do with more people focusing on them and their issues.

What's the 'we'? You can focus on whoever or whatever you want!

Why did you, as a 'neutral' choose to click on a 'Royal Family' topic and post multiple times, if this is not something you're interested in?

And nobody defended the behaviour of random other royals, let alone said they are 'perfect'. You're creating an argument that doesn't exist.

Very few of you will like this reply but honestly, the prevailing view on this thread that “everything H & M does is terrible, mendacious and bullying” and “everything the RF does is perfect” is ridiculously simplistic!

Absolutely no one on this thread (or any RF thread that I have been on for that matter) has the view that the RF is perfect.

Where are you seeing that on this thread?

The constant trying to make it out to be some sort of competition is ridiculous tbh.

Well that works both ways doesn’t it?

Of course Harry’s racist behaviour emerged when he was young and within the RF! And from whom did he learn that behaviour I wonder? It doesn’t just emerge in a vacuum does it? It comes from huge unthinking privilege.

He has since learned differently and has at least acknowledged that his behaviour was appalling and wrong.

You are absolutely right though, it’s not a competition, so why does any poster who puts the opposite view get absolutely bashed on here?

He was a vile racist bully

Yes he was and I do wonder whether you wouldn’t have to scratch too far under the surface to find that actually, either in part or as a whole, it is still there.

I can’t understand why people think so highly of him 🤷‍♀️.