Harry in UK for funeral

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DM is reporting Harry came to the UK for the funeral of his uncle Robert Fellowes. The husband of Diana's sister Lady Jane. Apparently they kept their distance from each other and didn't speak. Looks like William has the Windsor habit of bearing grudges. Don't blame him in this case.

Obviously a cable actress is higher status than someone who works closely with the Queen 🙄

It's just yet another example of how badly advised Meghan was and impossible it was for the Royal family to get through to her. She should not have been listening to American friends and advisers on anything relating to the Royal family and Harry should have stepped in and told her to get off her high horse and listen to any adviser the Queen gave her.

To be fair to her I think her refusal to accept that not everything in the world works the same way as it does in the US is a very common one among Americans who haven't spent much time in other cultures. But when you are marrying into such a specific cultural context you should have the humility to listen rather than expect to change it to suit your preconceptions.

I read that it had been held earlier the same week but it would make sense to have the funeral quite quickly after the death and then plan a memorial service.

There are other Americans who are married in to the aristocracy in this country who seem to have managed to adapt though. I think it’s more down to personality and the fact that she thought (and still seems to think) that she knows best and her ways are the best. It is perfectly possible to assimilate in to a different culture, but you have to be willing to do that together with putting in a bit of work to do so, and Meghan wasn’t and isn’t willing and didn’t and doesn’t want to work at it

I didn't mean to imply no one can assimilate to another culture. I agree it's down to the individual and that Meghan isn't someone who is prepared to learn.

I said what I said because my many US friends have explained that it is really easy in such a large country to never leave and truly believe that the way they do things is the way everyone does things. I like to try to give Meghan the benefit of the doubt a little negate no one who has married in had found it easy, even those from here.

I won't cut Harry any slack at all though!

I guess from what Harry has said in his various blatherings and writings, he must have been 'that' kind of boy: the bane of teachers' lives, and if your son made friends with him and he came to visit, you'd always be on edge, in case he pushed things too far.

The Duke of Beaufort has written a toe curling autobiography - endless supposedly amusing anecdotes, old Etonian jokes and name dropping. I read the first instalment in the DM - it came out shortly before Badminton horse trials and we were going as S-I-L had a craft stall there.
Anyway he described a summer party for one of his teenage children (not quite sure of the ages, they must roughly align with W&H and of course Highgrove is very nearby). Harry picked up one of the young female guests and threw her in the pool. Thinking this was a hilarious prank he started chucking other guests in. The Duke was thinking he ought to put a stop to it when his butler stepped in and told Harry quite firmly to STOP. Saving the Duke the responsibility of doing something sensible himself (really he's a prize idiot too). Actually I think the Duke wouldn't have been the Duke back then as I think he only inherited in about 2017 so maybe the butler had more authority than the eldest son 😉

I remember reading years ago that, as a teenager and young man, H's behaviour at house parties could be awful eg chucking bread rolls at people sitting around the table. Apparently people in their circle indulged and tolerated, not just because he a senior royal, but they felt sorry for him because his mum had passed away. I think this indulgence out of pity as he was growing up goes a long way to explaining the adult he has become.

@ShamedBySiri That behaviour is absolutely shocking.

I remember reading years ago that, as a teenager and young man, H's behaviour at house parties could be awful eg chucking bread rolls at people sitting around the table. Apparently people in their circle indulged and tolerated

I bet the Queen didn't tolerate it at her house parties. Old school manners at her table, I'm sure.

Quite - and I bet Harry behaved himself in the presence of the Queen.

He's just the sort of weasely character to know exactly when he can get away with things, and when to toe the line. Ugh. He strikes me as a lout, yob, oik, chav....at heart, with an aristocratic veneer.

I know the Crown isn't a documentary but I was interested to see how William was portrayed as thoughtful and dutiful while H was portrayed as little more than a yob. It was surely written well before Spare and the NF documentary when H's reputation was still fairly good. I guess the writers must have had good inside information.

Absolutely. His mother also indulged him. He’s been spoiled .

Apparently Harry went back to Althorp and stayed with his uncle Charles Spencer after attending the memorial for Robert Fellowes.

Rather amused by this post on X , the thought of the two of them spending an evening together moaning about ex wives and Harry's problems.

I think it's lovely that he's seemingly close with his mum's side of the family and they're there for him.
No leaks, no drama.
That tweeter though - "Hazchem?" and daydreaming about whinging and failed marriages?
They sound healthy not 😁
Got a few issues there themselves by the sounds of it lol

No leaks, no drama.

Just checking - how do you think People magazine knows Harry stayed at Althorp?

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Good point.

charles Spencer and no drama are not really words that can be used in a sentence. Charles Spencer with or without consent has placed himself in articles that contain digs about his other nephew in The People that has been Harry and Meghan go to for positive PR. I’d imagine that if Charles does not feel let down being used as a point scoring tool he’s probably loving the “drama”.

I meant no drama as in Harry was seemingly able to get in and out for a visit without the press knowing.
Otherwise there'd surely have been some photos in the papers.

Leaks to the likes of The Sun, The Mail, etc, the paparazzi gutter press he famously loves so much (sarcasm!) who'd surely have been all over him if they'd known.

That just proves that the Spencers don’t leak and the Sussexes do. To their preferred mouthpiece, the People. So I’m not sure what your point is? This doesn’t show that anyone else leaks stuff to other publications 🤷‍♀️

I agree. I don't think this is the 'gotcha' some people like to think it is. 😂 He might well have been asked by the People where he stayed and he said 'with my uncle'. Whereas the likes of the gutter press, Mail, Sun etc wouldn't get anywhere with asking him anything!

So what he stayed with his mother's brother, it's great he still has a good relationship with his mother's family. And I imagine he wanted to visit where his Mum was buried.

It's desperation and a bit weird trying to skewer him for something really not that interesting!

He might well have been asked by the People where he stayed and he said 'with my uncle'. Whereas the likes of the gutter press, Mail, Sun etc wouldn't get anywhere with asking him anything!

Yes, exactly, that's my take on it as well.
People he obviously trusts, so would answer where he stayed if asked as plenty are obviously interested (like these very threads indicate!)
Whereas the Sun et al would probably get the finger and told to naff off (or more likely ignored) 😁

Actually Doria has spoken out, in the Harry and Meghan Netflix series. She introduced the notion that there might be racism behind some of what was going on. So she isn’t as benign as people seem to think.

The truth is, little is known about Doria Ragland because the press left her well alone. Which is absolutely what they should have done of course.

Regardless of the his preferred receptacle for the leaks, it really does seem that he is the one leaking.

And I thought he was above those sorts of shenanigans.

Consistency doesn't seem to be his thing, does it?

It is, and so is the Duke of Beaufort. I just looked him up and he looks as daft and entitled as you might imagine from what ShamedBySiri says! 😁