Harry in UK for funeral

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DM is reporting Harry came to the UK for the funeral of his uncle Robert Fellowes. The husband of Diana's sister Lady Jane. Apparently they kept their distance from each other and didn't speak. Looks like William has the Windsor habit of bearing grudges. Don't blame him in this case.

I wonder if, in Harry's mind, the Nigerian and Colombian trips showed that he is willing to travel
to dangerous places provided he has adequate (to his standard) security.
What he is failing to consider is that most of the British public couldn't give a toss if he comes or not, which rather ruins the emotional blackmail part of the plan.

I'd be surprised if they did, Serenster, but William certainly will, and since he was at the same place I'd have thought Harry could piggyback on his brother's, if only in his own mind?

But W's team would need to know in advance if they were expected to cover H too, so they could plan accordingly. Part of RAVEC's case is that they need 28 days notice if Harry wants them to provide security. H must know that he can't just rock up and say to W's team, OK lads, you're covering me too now.

Of course the palace knew Harry was attending. No one credible is suggesting that they didn't or that Harry didn't have appropriate security.

The palace had nothing to gain from leaking the information, and for once Harry seems to have used judgement and discretion.

What has the Palace got to do with a Spencer family funeral/memorial service?
The only members of the RF who appeared to be attending (although we don't know for sure) were William and Harry, as it was their mother's family. Robert Fellowes worked for the late Queen, not Charles, so he was unlikely to have gone. William would have had his own security.
Harry can sort his own stuff out. Isn't that why he wanted to leave?

Exactly, why would they know?!
I find comments like this baffling Of course the palace knew Harry was attending. No one credible is suggesting that they didn't
It's William and Harry who are Spencers, there's no reason the Palace would have necessarily known that Harry was going too.

William's protection team would have been given a list of everyone invited and who would be attending, in order to have fully assessed the security risks. They would not have allowed the Heir to the Throne to have attended otherwise.

Of course they knew Harry would be there!

Frankly it's baffling and naive to think they wouldn't.

Indeed. I would have expected the widow to have know H was coming, and for her to have conveyed the news to William, on the grounds that she wouldn't want to blindside him on the day. What William then did was up to him.

Credit to W that he showed, didn't make a scene, and didn't tell the press.

The insinuation on this thread is that if the palace knew then the details would have been leaked to the press and because he came without fanfare, it's proof that the place leak all Harry's secrets. Whereas in reality H&M love to leak their plans - New York September trip for example.

I would imagine that RAVEC can make exceptions to their 28 day rule for an uncle's funeral.

^Exactly, why would they know?!
I find comments like this baffling Of course the palace knew Harry was attending. No one credible is suggesting that they didn't
It's William and Harry who are Spencers, there's no reason the Palace would have necessarily known that Harry was going too.^

Sorry to "baffle" you, but even when Harry stays in a hotel, the palace, police and security services know exactly when he is coming and where he is staying.

The Palace don't leak because it's not their circus.

And I'd imagine a number of current and former Palace staff who had worked with RF would have attended his service.

Good analysis, I think.

People say that it could have been so different, especially now, with two senior members being treated for cancer, but that is hypothetical. At the time of the departure that wasn't known.
Along with the privilege and wealth comes the duty. When M and H were out and about, shaking hands with Jo Public, they were popular, but I wonder if that is really what she wanted for the rest of her life, apart from the star part of it. Harry would understand the deal better. I don't think either of them was really interested in the UK very much.

I think people who are desperate to push the “Harry turned up out of the blue, because if William knew he would have leaked it” angle completely forget that they are human beings involved here, not robots.

We know from past footage that both William and Harry have relationships with their Spencer aunts/uncles and cousins. The death of their aunt’s husband would in any family with relationships like that an event of note. Condolences would have been shared, information about the funeral and/or memorial services shared, rsvps given. Where one of the likely attendees is the heir to the throne, as Mrs Finkelstein says, there will be other matters to be worked out between them also.

Given the whole world knows that William and Harry aren’t currently on good terms I think it’s unlikely in the extreme that the Spencer family wouldn’t have made sure that each brother knew the other would be attending, so they were prepared for any awkwardness. If only because it avoids what they presumably want to be an important family service being diverted by others’ personal dramas. It’s not Eastenders….

Very true, but then that's partly what I meant in saying I'd expect the palace to have known Harry was coming
Granted it was a Spencer occasion, but it also involved the heir, and clearly they'd be at pains to protect him not just against physical threats but also anything Harry might have contributed

That said, and despite the speculation, we don't actually know what William's current attitude to all this is. Personally I'd think it unlikely after Harry's attacks on the family (and especially Catherine) but for all we know they could be planning to bring Harry back into the family even as we type, with photo ops and carefully placed stories to match

Linking to Celebitchy? Excellent signalling thanks, meaning I don’t need to bother reading any of the post. We’ve heard it all before….😀

Glad someone's mentioning the racism.
Saw the comment along the lines of "She didn't have to put up with harassment as much as Fergie etc"and thought 🙄
One, it's not a competition, and two, they all didn't have racism to contend with as well.
The blackamoor brooch at dinner, the disgusting chimp leaving the hospital photo 😡, "Straight outta Compton" headlines, just a few high profile incidences off the top of my head.

Those 3 incidents get mentioned as 'tip of the iceberg', but please provide some examples of the rest of the iceberg?

Because from what I remember those incidents get mentioned because they were the exception, not the norm.

Lord Fellowes died on 29 July, so more than 28 days' notice was probably available to Harry to give RAVEC sufficient notice of his attendance on 30 August.

I agree with PP that RAVEC would have wanted to know who was in attendance in order to protect William (so Harry would be on that list); and also that the Spencers would not have blindsided William in not telling him about Harry's intention to attend, since I presume they will be looking out for both of Diana's boys equally.

I do wonder what the Lady Fellowes thinks of Harry's assessment of men like her late husband - the men in grey he likened to insects.

but please provide some examples of the rest of the iceberg?

🙄

So you can't come up with other examples.

OK

Yes and universally criticised. Danny Baker was sacked for his awful tweet, the Compton comments came from an LA reporter and I don't recall anyone supporting the wearing of that brooch.

They have both had lots of sm trolling but the RF all have too. Look at the awful crap about Kate and the where is she all over sm, sneering about her private medical details.

None of it is ok but to say one person has suffered more than the others is not true.

Lol
Didn't say that, did I.
Just if you're so dismissive of examples given already, no reason to believe you'll be exactly the same if others are given to you.
You don't want to know. Otherwise you'd be arsed to go look yourself as you'd clearly just dismiss everything anyone else found for you.
Nothings ever good enough.
Waste of time.
Go Google if you really care

That is a very long-winded way of saying you have no more examples to offer.

Oh come on! Don't you want to hear about the million things Harry could be doing if he wasn't involved in his dubious charitable causes? I want to know what this man of little talent would be doing if he wasn't being a faux royal. Other than monetising his royal connection through more salacious books and reality TV.

I have googled.

Still can't find anything.

Danny Baker was sacked, the blackamoor broach condemned.

So this idea of a relentless barrage of racism seems to have no evidence behind it.

They have both had lots of sm trolling but the RF all have too. Look at the awful crap about Kate and the where is she all over sm, sneering about her private medical details

Must have missed where Kate had to endure racism too?
Which was my point.

None of it is ok but to say one person has suffered more than the others is not true

I don't think I've said that?! I don't think one person has suffered more than others, I even said it's not a competition.
They've all suffered.