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lazybrownfox · 27/08/2024 13:34

CurlewKate · 27/08/2024 12:48

@DappledThings "I would love that. I wish one of them would be brave enough to do an ordinary thing like Sunday morning church in ordinary clothes. I'd have a lot more respect for them"
To be honest, they only go to Church at all because it's part of the deal. And so is wearing the daft clothes.

There are no daft clothes. What is daft about coats, a kilt and a hat? Do you know what the temperature has been up there?

LimeBiscuit · 27/08/2024 13:35

smilesy · 26/08/2024 15:58

Well I doubt she told him to his face and she was of a generation and certain upbringing that would have been aware of sartorial faux pas. Equally she could have been horrified because he wore trousers that were unsuitable for whatever activity they were doing. I think you are reading too
much in to it. Especially as we don’t really know if she was actually horrified or it’s journalistic license again

“Well I doubt she told him to his face.”

The royals do have form for this, I think.

lazybrownfox · 27/08/2024 13:36

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 13:13

I worship at Church every Sunday and very few people dress up. I do not care if the Royals do or do not dress up to go to church. Its irrelevant. I do care when people talk a load of nonsense about the Church of Scotland.
If you do not believe me, watch some online services.

What is the nonsense people speak about the Church of Scotland ? How they dress at a particular Church?

LimeBiscuit · 27/08/2024 13:36

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 16:05

Trousers are suitable for any activity. Tony Blair will not have been wearing anything outlandish like three feet wide flairs, just ordinary trousers. It is rude to assume that what you think is the "correct" trousers will be agreed by others and followed.
Margaret Thatcher hated going to Balmoral because they put her down in small classist ways. Her Private Secretary confirmed this.

“Margaret Thatcher hated going to Balmoral because they put her down in small classist ways. Her Private Secretary confirmed this.”

Interesting…

Gorgonemilezola · 27/08/2024 13:36

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 13:09

St Giles Cathedral is where very middle class mainly English people go to worship. It is also a tourist attraction. I am sure people attending St Paul's Cathedral services will be more likely to dress up/
Equating St Giles Cathedral to the Church of Scotland as a whole is usual English imperialist nonsense. People visit Edinburgh for the festival and then think think they understand Scotland.

WTAF. I mean, you've spouted quite a river of drivel already but this really does go to show how much of it is emanating from your bahookie.

lazybrownfox · 27/08/2024 13:39

@Nadeed

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This is a load of nonsense. You talk as if none of us go to church and none of us live in Scotland."

I am in both of those categories and that is my personal experience. Maybe yours is different. It doesn't make my post " a load of nonsense"

LimeBiscuit · 27/08/2024 13:43

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 17:24

@smilesy incredibly rude at a wedding. I am not keen on it for a funeral either, but people often do this for children's and young adults funerals so I will comply as I know the parents are going through an incredibly tough time.
A wedding - I would just think you are a bridezilla sending out a dress code.

What about the wedding party - dress code is pretty standard (parents of bride and groom, bridesmaids, groomsmen etc). I’m assuming you mean telling people what to wear outside of the wedding party is ‘rude’. I’ve never received an invite yet telling me what to wear as a wedding guest.

smilesy · 27/08/2024 13:44

LimeBiscuit · 27/08/2024 13:43

What about the wedding party - dress code is pretty standard (parents of bride and groom, bridesmaids, groomsmen etc). I’m assuming you mean telling people what to wear outside of the wedding party is ‘rude’. I’ve never received an invite yet telling me what to wear as a wedding guest.

We did all this at length yesterday. Including the fact that some people ask wedding guests to wear a certain colour. Go and have a look. There were a range of views 😊

eta. It started at around 16.00h onwards, just so you are not scrolling through loads of posts

LimeBiscuit · 27/08/2024 13:55

smilesy · 27/08/2024 13:44

We did all this at length yesterday. Including the fact that some people ask wedding guests to wear a certain colour. Go and have a look. There were a range of views 😊

eta. It started at around 16.00h onwards, just so you are not scrolling through loads of posts

Edited

Thank you. ☺️

AutumnCrow · 27/08/2024 14:18

SnappingAtHeels · 27/08/2024 13:18

Well- that would be good too. I am sure.

Anyway, just because I am a bit of a nerd this represents some of the commentary around the Eye of the needle. I appreciate you did not actually request this. Grin

https://classictheology.org/2021/10/12/through-the-eye-of-an-actual-needle-the-fake-gate-theory/

Thanks - that's a really well-written and engaging piece. I love the old photograph of Jaffa Gate, Old City. (Through the gate and second left for the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.)

SnappingAtHeels · 27/08/2024 14:23

I liked the idea of someone having to shimmy their camel through the gate.

My experience with camels is limited, to be fair, but I imagine they don't take kindly to being shimmied. (Rather like my cat when I try and shimmy her into the cat travel basket on the way to the vet).

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 14:49

wordler · 27/08/2024 13:33

The thing for me is apart from the hats - what they are wearing doesn’t look particularly dressed up. They are just wearing smart clothes. That’s what my family wears to church or going out to dinner, or going to the theatre etc.

What are the ‘daft clothes’ that other people are seeing?

Edited

I’m waiting for @CurlewKate to enlighten us, kilts are not daft apparently, so waiting patiently to see what is.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 15:12

DappledThings · 27/08/2024 13:12

Well we will have to differ then! I don't think wearing a hat and heels and a dress that fancy is anything approaching standard daily attire and, to me, going to church is standard ordinary Sunday thing to do so getting dressed up for it looks like performance. Ordinary clothes would make it look like an ordinary thing they were choosing to do.

It doesn't make them look respectful, just dutiful and uninterested.

I don’t think a Fedora is particularly fancy, most of the country set would wear something similar and not just to church, you must have seen different pictures to me as I don’t know what she had on her feet. It may look like a “performance” to you because the royals and country set I presume are not your crowd, to them it is perfectly normal attire for the occasion, I really don’t think leggings, hoodies and sportswear which seems to be the general standard attire of today would appeal much to the royals to go to church, particularly as they are attending with the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, it would show a complete lack of respect, I don’t understand how you come to the conclusion that because they dress smartly for the occasion means they are disinterested.

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 15:19

Yes the only choice in what to wear is a hat, dress and heels
OR
leggies, hoodies and sportswear

Make your choice now. You can only choose one of these options folks.

DappledThings · 27/08/2024 15:19

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 15:12

I don’t think a Fedora is particularly fancy, most of the country set would wear something similar and not just to church, you must have seen different pictures to me as I don’t know what she had on her feet. It may look like a “performance” to you because the royals and country set I presume are not your crowd, to them it is perfectly normal attire for the occasion, I really don’t think leggings, hoodies and sportswear which seems to be the general standard attire of today would appeal much to the royals to go to church, particularly as they are attending with the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, it would show a complete lack of respect, I don’t understand how you come to the conclusion that because they dress smartly for the occasion means they are disinterested.

I agree with much of this. I had indeed assumed heels as I've never seen the PoW in anything else unless actually doing sport so she might be in some sensible shoes but I doubt it.

It does indeed look like performance to me because it isn't my crowd. I said it was how it appeared to me multiple times! I would like to see them relaxed in ordinary daily clothes going to church because to me they would therefore look more relaxed and like they were actually enjoying going.

It won't ever happen so those who consider hats and a specific degree of smartness to be required to show respect at an ordinary Sunday service can rest easy.

DappledThings · 27/08/2024 15:27

I lived in central Canterbury for a few months so for a while my normal Sunday service was at the Cathedral, including over one Easter which was the only time I saw the Archbishop himself presiding.

Easter Sunday being the most important service of the year in the CofE's head church presided over by the most senior clergyman in it. I didn't feel the need to put a hat on or change out of my jeans or wear a specially smart coat. No lack of respect from me. I'm glad I don't have people putting that kind of silly judgement on me that means I'm in the public eye and think I have to wear a hat or I'm not dressed up enough.

wordler · 27/08/2024 15:34

DappledThings · 27/08/2024 15:27

I lived in central Canterbury for a few months so for a while my normal Sunday service was at the Cathedral, including over one Easter which was the only time I saw the Archbishop himself presiding.

Easter Sunday being the most important service of the year in the CofE's head church presided over by the most senior clergyman in it. I didn't feel the need to put a hat on or change out of my jeans or wear a specially smart coat. No lack of respect from me. I'm glad I don't have people putting that kind of silly judgement on me that means I'm in the public eye and think I have to wear a hat or I'm not dressed up enough.

What do you change out of your jeans for?

If you’d been going to a nice restaurant for dinner after the Easter Service would that have made a difference to your outfit?

If you’d been invited to a family Easter Sunday dinner after the service by your MIL would you have worn something different?

I’m not part of the upper class set - my family roots are northern working class but we would always dress smartly for Sunday services (a bit more casual for weekday services but still not jeans) and always dress smartly to go to dinner at someone else’s house.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 15:36

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 15:19

Yes the only choice in what to wear is a hat, dress and heels
OR
leggies, hoodies and sportswear

Make your choice now. You can only choose one of these options folks.

Well it is standard attire for many these day which is what was being discussed, normal everyday clothes, posters wanted the royals to wear normal everyday clothes, jeans, sportswear, hoodies, leggings are just that for many people 🤷🏻‍♀️ and as for the hat dress and heels, Catherine was wearing a country style fedora and a tweed coat by the looks of it, she wasn’t dressed for ladies day at Ascot.

DappledThings · 27/08/2024 15:38

If you’d been going to a nice restaurant for dinner after the Easter Service would that have made a difference to your outfit?
Possibly. Depends on the definition of "nice". But that would be a special occasion. Going to church isn't, it's ordinary and that's why I don't like seeing it as performance.

If you’d been invited to a family Easter Sunday dinner after the service by your MIL would you have worn something different?
At PIL's house? No, wouldn't cross my mind to dress any particular way for that.

spanieleyes · 27/08/2024 15:38

Horses for courses.
I was brought up to wear "Sunday best" for church, so I still do. It just feels wrong TO ME not to be a little dressed up for church, I certainly wouldn't wear jeans. But other people have different views and so wear different types of clothing. Neither of us are being disrespectful or judging others, it is what it is! Clearly the Royal family are part of the " Sunday Best" brigade, that doesn't mean they don't want to be there!

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 15:39

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 15:36

Well it is standard attire for many these day which is what was being discussed, normal everyday clothes, posters wanted the royals to wear normal everyday clothes, jeans, sportswear, hoodies, leggings are just that for many people 🤷🏻‍♀️ and as for the hat dress and heels, Catherine was wearing a country style fedora and a tweed coat by the looks of it, she wasn’t dressed for ladies day at Ascot.

Seriously do not be ridiculous. I do not wear dresses and heels. And I do not wera leggings and tracksuits. There are other choices.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 15:43

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 15:39

Seriously do not be ridiculous. I do not wear dresses and heels. And I do not wera leggings and tracksuits. There are other choices.

I don’t really care what you wear, I wasn’t referring to you personally, you don’t interest me that much, sorry 🤷🏻‍♀️.

CurlewKate · 27/08/2024 15:47

@BigWillyLittleTodger With the kilt it's what you wear on your top half and how you "accessorise" it that determines suitability for different occasions.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 15:52

CurlewKate · 27/08/2024 15:47

@BigWillyLittleTodger With the kilt it's what you wear on your top half and how you "accessorise" it that determines suitability for different occasions.

You are preaching to the converted! Married to a Scot who wears his kilt at every available opportunity and mighty fine he looks too.

Gorgonemilezola · 27/08/2024 15:59

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/08/2024 15:52

You are preaching to the converted! Married to a Scot who wears his kilt at every available opportunity and mighty fine he looks too.

I have one of those too, lucky us, eh!

A kilt has to be exactly the right length though - an inch either way and it doesn't look great.