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Nadeed · 26/08/2024 19:07

smilesy · 26/08/2024 19:05

Quite, plenty of photos of Princess Anne in trousers back in the day

Yes true. But the Royal Family have never said trousers for women or any other item of clothing can never be worn. Anne did not ride horses wearing a ballgown.
The Royal Family issue protocol about what you should wear when you meet them. That is a very different context.

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 19:09

Rhaidimiddim · 26/08/2024 19:04

Let me add my prayers for a swift name change recovery

Just realised you accused me of trolling. I have not name changed. Your comment is against MN guidelines.

Serenster · 26/08/2024 19:10

Name changes are common and specifically allowed by the rules here, I thought?

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 19:11

Well whoever you think I am, you are wrong.

Rhaidimiddim · 26/08/2024 19:12

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 19:02

I walk on moors all the time. But I am unhappy that grouse moors are very bad for the native wildlife and habitat. All so rich people can shoot birds/
You get grouse in the lanes around here that have been reared and are so tame they wander towards you. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Which county are you in?

DelectableMe · 26/08/2024 19:15

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 19:07

Yes true. But the Royal Family have never said trousers for women or any other item of clothing can never be worn. Anne did not ride horses wearing a ballgown.
The Royal Family issue protocol about what you should wear when you meet them. That is a very different context.

They never "issue protocol" - there is no such thing.

Uricon2 · 26/08/2024 19:16

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 19:00

The Philip story is one of those urban myths which has been applied to lots of famous people over the decades.

It was front page news that Cherie Blair had worn a trouser suit which was against Royal protocol. Thankfully they now allow women to wear trousers.

Edited

For someone who apparently isn't that interested in the RF, you have great certainty in dismissing things very easily @Nadeed .

The person in question can be identified. It was Margaret Tebbit, the wife of Norman Tebbit (senior Tory under Thatcher) who was badly injured with life changing effects, partially paralysed, in the Brighton bombing. I haven't checked but believe the story is in NTs autobiography. I've certainly read it from numerous sources leading from that.

DelectableMe · 26/08/2024 19:16

Where do you live, @Nadeed ? You seem to have some very strange ideas about the UK Royal Family. It's not the same as The House of Saud.

smilesy · 26/08/2024 19:17

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 19:07

Yes true. But the Royal Family have never said trousers for women or any other item of clothing can never be worn. Anne did not ride horses wearing a ballgown.
The Royal Family issue protocol about what you should wear when you meet them. That is a very different context.

No they don’t. That is only when meeting them at formal occasions when etiquette would suggest that you should wear “white tie” or “black tie” or according to the event, or dress suitable for a wedding at a garden party. But those codes apply to the occasion, not just to the fact that there are royals present. If you met the royals in the street for example or at a charity event, you would wear what you normally wear for those things

Serenster · 26/08/2024 19:20

I presume most senior government representatives (and indeed their spouses) do ask their aides to check from time to time what the appropriate dress code would be for various events they attend - a stay with he US President at Camp David, for example, or some of the events at Davos. I can’t see why an invitation to Balmopral would be any different, to be honest. It’s part of their aide’s jobs to sort this out.

AutumnCrow · 26/08/2024 19:22

Lots of female Heads of State habitually wear/wore trouser suits or trousered outfits, so I doubt it was really a big deal for our Head of State to, you know, cope when she met them or their partners.

It was literally the late Queen's job to meet and greet, and show hospitality to other Heads of State, their partners, and representatives. The thought of the UK's long-serving, experienced, tough and eclectic HoS indulging in negative emotions over a trouser suit seems extremely unlikely and has the whiff of misinformation about it.

Gorgonemilezola · 26/08/2024 19:23

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 18:46

So you think Cherie Blair should have worn a dress or skirt to keep the Royal Family happy?

I think Cherie Blair wore what she wanted, and I seriously doubt anyone in the rf could give a rats.

DelectableMe · 26/08/2024 19:24

How many times did the late Queen meet Angela Merkel? What was Chancellor Merkel's preferred attire?
All this is absolutely nonsensical now.

Uricon2 · 26/08/2024 19:26

DelectableMe · 26/08/2024 19:24

How many times did the late Queen meet Angela Merkel? What was Chancellor Merkel's preferred attire?
All this is absolutely nonsensical now.

Literally making it up as they go along.

myrtleWilson · 26/08/2024 19:36

I don't recall any contemporaneous front page new stories about Cherie and the trouser suit - indeed the BBC report on the Balmoral visit doesn't mention it. Plus, if anyone was offended (doubtful) it was ascribed to the QM not the late Queen so hardly the HoS taking umbrage about clothes etiquette.

wordler · 26/08/2024 19:46

I must be missing something on why communicating dress codes is a bad idea - if you have decided to have a black tie event then it’s weird if you don’t tell people.

If you have a wedding on a farm and you have planned some walking across fields then you want to advise guests about footware.

Dress codes can always be ignored by the individual - if they feel comfortable being dressed differently or inappropriately for the weather that’s on them. But if they are uncomfortable because you didn’t communicate clearly what was needed then that’s on you.

I think it’s ruder to make guests worry and guess what they will need.

Likewhatever · 26/08/2024 19:53

CormorantStrikesBack · 26/08/2024 16:39

Supposedly. Cherie certainly said she conceived her youngest at Balmoral.

Apparently too embarrassed to pack contraceptives in case the servants unpacking their cases discovered them, but not too embarrassed to have a shag under the Queen’s roof 🤢

wordler · 26/08/2024 19:58

Likewhatever · 26/08/2024 19:53

Apparently too embarrassed to pack contraceptives in case the servants unpacking their cases discovered them, but not too embarrassed to have a shag under the Queen’s roof 🤢

I’m with Cherie on the unpacking though - I’d hate having someone go through all my bags - I guess you get used to it eventually if it’s your life.

Uricon2 · 26/08/2024 19:58

Likewhatever · 26/08/2024 19:53

Apparently too embarrassed to pack contraceptives in case the servants unpacking their cases discovered them, but not too embarrassed to have a shag under the Queen’s roof 🤢

And according to some, unaware of the existence of study shoes, tweed clothing and Barbour jackets.

As if.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 26/08/2024 20:17

Nadeed · 26/08/2024 18:54

Nobody is answering my question. So I will just assume you all think Cherie Blair should have work a skirt or dress to keep the Royal Family happy instead of the acceptable smart trouser suit she did wear.

You’re a fine one to talk about not answering questions.

MrsLeonFarrell · 26/08/2024 20:59

myrtleWilson · 26/08/2024 19:36

I don't recall any contemporaneous front page new stories about Cherie and the trouser suit - indeed the BBC report on the Balmoral visit doesn't mention it. Plus, if anyone was offended (doubtful) it was ascribed to the QM not the late Queen so hardly the HoS taking umbrage about clothes etiquette.

I can imagine the Queen Mother looking askance at trousers, she came across as very set in her ways and intolerant.

I can't see the late Queen caring what anyone was wearing.

smilesy · 26/08/2024 21:02

wordler · 26/08/2024 19:58

I’m with Cherie on the unpacking though - I’d hate having someone go through all my bags - I guess you get used to it eventually if it’s your life.

I can’t imagine they would unpack your toiletries bag though. Just hang up your clothes and put your shoes away. I doubt they’d touch anything personal like toiletries, make up or jewellery. Lots of top end hotels do that too. Sounds like Cherie was playing fast and loose with her excuses 😆

stillavid · 26/08/2024 21:08

To agree with a previous poster - the whole Tony Blair at Balmoral is as though he was dragged up on a council estate with no idea of anything which was very much not his background.

I think dress codes are useful personally - I mean I love fashion and don't mind being a tad overdressed but get for a lot of people they would rather know what is expected so it is one less thing to worry about.

I mean I fully believe the royals would have been mean about Margaret Thatcher's lower middle class upbringing but those type of judgements are on them.