Harry to be removed from the line of succession?

[Thinkingabouttherapy]

Apparently this has been discussed at the Balmoral summit: an act of parliament to remove Harry and his heirs from the line of succession as they are no longer U.K. residents or working royals. Makes sense to me - I doubt many people would object. Don’t the Swedish royals have a similar rule? They only keep their titles & place in succession if they live in Sweden? Handy precedent there.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/prince-harrys-position-line-succession-33518669.amp

As far as I know it needs an act of parliament to remove someone from the line of succession. The whole thing is based on a blood line that cannot be messed with, because it’s ordained by god, etc. Living abroad or not working are neither here nor there.

You have to be descended from Sophia of Hanover and a protestant currently - that was because after Restoration and Glorious Revolution we ran out of acceptable Stuarts - so Parliament gave it to 52nd in line to throne via act of settlement and as she died before Ann - went to her son George I.

So you'd need to amend the Settlement act - they changed it recently to stop putting boys post a date first in succession - so it can be changed.

It's only an Issue if William and his current kids die and any potential future kids ( via second marriage) or legitimate GC don't happen - then I think if still as unpopular then parliament might act or do behind the scenes as they did with King Edward VIII. I don't think they'll stir the pot before they really have to though.

Then it would be Andrew and then Beatrice and her child - unless they decided maybe to push Primogeniture changes back to Ann - but then her son isn't well known or widely popular.

I suspect strategy is to hope Wales kids settle down earlyish and have lots of kids making Harry and his children irrelevant - though possible Harry kids could be acceptable given time and dependent on future events even if Harry isn't - they may as adults settle here or marry - I suspect they'd be more USA but who knows.

I think you’re wrong, times have changed we now see them for what they are not what they once represented we have a king who wanted to be his mistresses tampon, a peado prince and literally a bunch of whiners and free loaders and entitled brats. People are sick of them now because we no longer tug the forelock to our “betters” well I guess some still do but more fool them.

You cannot call Andrew a paedo Prince , he hasn’t been found guilty of anything . I don’t like him but he has never been charged.
People are sick of them is a very sweeping statement. How come thousands turn out to see them and millions watch TV events .
The Monarchy is here to stay .,

The constitutional monarchy model is still by far the most popular option in the UK.

Changing that is a LONG way off - most definitely not in our lifetimes unless something very drastic happens.

Hyperbolic, inaccurate comments won't get you your Republic.

Harry won’t be removed from the line of succession. He has mixed race children and there would be international uproar.

But Harry will be removed from Royal history. First, because as time goes on Harry will be less important. In 20 odd years George will probably have his own family and Harry will be further own the line. Secondly, I believe William once on the throne will rid the history books of all mention of Harry. On the websites etc. And finally, I believe he will refuse Harry a royal funeral and burial. Harry I doubt will be allowed on any Royal site again, after his father’s death. It’s all over for Harry.

I also believe William will bring in rules about passing down titles, that you must be born in the UK and reside in the UK for x years.(unless the RF is in exile). Otherwise the Duke of Sussex title will be passed down the line to men living in the US and that makes no sense. At least the Duke of Windsor didn’t have kids, so that was never a problem to deal with. But this will be something William will have to sort out during his reign.

Fingers crossed 🤞 for something drastic then but I think it’s not that popular as you think, it’s tolerated by people under 50 at best.

Current polling suggests differently. But even with apathy, the path to replacing the whole constitutional monarchy system is a lot more convoluted than people realise when they say 'get rid of the royal family'.

There's a whole separate thread on this that I started - would love your input on there.

So the system can technically be changed at any time - all the government has to do is decide to do it - but it's going to be messy, very very expensive and take a lot of time (up to a decade or more of upheaval) to unravel how the constitutional monarchy is intertwined in our various parts of public life.

So for a government to go ahead with something like this they need unwavering support for the change itself, no other pressing matters and confident that it won't tank their reelection prospects.

Basically, you need French / American Revolution levels of public energy for making such a change - it has to be way more important that anything else the general public want the government to concentrate their budget and time on.

The more likely scenario is it gets slimmed down gradually - ends up more in line with the Scandi monarchs - with perhaps in George's old age there's a move to change the public life areas piece by piece on a rolling schedule.

Unfortunately for republicans Charles has proved a lot more popular then it was thought - so if he is King for another 10-20 years (possibly on the more conservative side because of recent health) that takes us to 2030s.

There will be a surge of popularity for King William and Queen Catherine - and the Wales kids will be popular while they settle into adulthood. If William is 55-60 when he becomes King and lives to his 80s, that takes us into 2060/70s.

I won't be here anymore at that point so I guess I'll never know if there is a better chance for a republic after William or George.

I have no idea what W will do, but I would not be surprised if he took a much harder line than his father.

Of all the people to piss off H has been an absolute fool to cross his brother the way he has.

I suspect that during his life H has got away with a lot and has a perception he would always be forgiven - never really understanding the magnitude of his post exit actions.

We can't know W's intentions, but I very much doubt reconciliation is a consideration and I don't blame him, if this is the case one iota.

@BreadInCaptivity - I think you're exactly right about Harry 👍

Re line of succession - this is what I would do:

Top ten in line of succession have to make their main residence in either the UK or one of the countries where the UK monarch is head of state (short stays for things like college, short term work contracts or military service excepted.)

Heir and Counsellors of State have to live in the UK mainland to be ready to be deputies for the King.

Working royals paid for by the Sovereign grant need to be based in the UK

Anyone marrying or already married to the direct heir needs to take UK citizenship if they haven't already.

Only children in the line of the direct heir get HRH and Prince/ess titles, and hereditary Dukedoms.

Direct heir and children must be educated in the UK to age 18.

once represented we have a king who wanted to be his mistresses tampon

Why do people persist in repeating this bollocks when it's not remotely what he said? It's almost the absolute opposite of what he said.

Camilla laughs: “What are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers? Oh, you're going to come back as a pair of knickers.”
Charles replies: “Or, God forbid, a Tampax. Just my luck! My luck to be chucked down a lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down.”

Sad thing is I really like Andrew’s girls though. I think they would be quite level headed queens.

Also,this was a private conversation between two people, taped and then distributed. How vile to do that. I'm sure no-one on here would like that to happen with their private conversations.

It’s actually a strangely evocative description of what it must have felt like to be on a long wait for the throne.

I think the easiest thing to do especially now woukd be go down the Scandi route and remove HRH from everyone but the direct heir.I suspect William would love to remove Harry but doesn't want to risk his own children having their hrh's removed. We don't need all these working Royals. Most Heads of State manage to do the job without drafting their whole family in. William, Kate when monarch and George and his spouse should be enough. Then don't allows grandchildren apart from the heirs children to be prince/ princess. Set the others free to do what they want.

At the moment, how does it go if William dies tomorrow?

The throne would pass, on Charles' death, to George. Who would require a Regent until his 18th birthday.

Which would have been Harry if he were UK resident. Andrew unacceptable. Beatrice and Eugenie both occupied with their own families, and not remotely prepared for the role. So I think we'd need all the CoS to petition Parliament to install Anne and Edward as co-Regents, with Catherine responsible for George's education and well-being, but not actually being HoS

The line of succession? Everyone just bumps up one. So George is the heir, no need for a regent while the King is still alive. If Charles dies before George is an adult then a regent will be needed - would normally be either Harry or Catherine. And Harry definitely wouldn't work and Catherine might not be well enough - who knows. I'd hope there would be some way of making Anne regent in that case.

It would be possible to make Catherine regent - this happened with Philip when Charles was a minor.
Anne and Edward are the obvious choices apart from her.

In some ways, Harry as regent to George or one of the other Wales children feels worse than the prospect of Harry as heir/king. I dread to think what utter nonsense he would fill those poor kids' heads with, not to mention his wife wielding influence over them as well.

Game of Thrones territory

There's no way Parliament would let Harry or Meghan anywhere near them!

What an awful comment to make!

Oh my god! 😲