Harry to be removed from the line of succession?

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Apparently this has been discussed at the Balmoral summit: an act of parliament to remove Harry and his heirs from the line of succession as they are no longer U.K. residents or working royals. Makes sense to me - I doubt many people would object. Don’t the Swedish royals have a similar rule? They only keep their titles & place in succession if they live in Sweden? Handy precedent there.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/prince-harrys-position-line-succession-33518669.amp

Surely that would give H and M more ammunition?

Also doesn't Eugenie live abroad? I can't see them bumping Harry and not her.

The chances of Harry ever being king are so remote I don't think they would need to. It won't be long before William's children are adults and as soon as one becomes a parent Harry starts dropping down the list even further.

Wasn't Peter Phillips 5th when he was born?

I don't think most people would care that much. There would be a lot of people who would find the whole idea of monarchy even more silly than it has been previously and some might he angry but hardly to the point of civil unrest.

He wouldn't be particularly popular and certainly groups like Republic would sensibly take the opportunity to ramp up their campaign but you would still have the hardcore of Royal supporters who would be camping out with their flags.

Mostly people would be apathetic which would make the coronation a bit embarrassing but the whole show would limp on.

Hard to have a HoS who hates the U.K. though and doesn’t want to even visit never mind live here. But at least he would get the security he’s after!

First time I've seen the royals' annual holiday get together described as a summit, but papers need the clicks.

Anyway, I don't think they will mess with the line of succession, it is kind of the point of monarchy.

I do believe that they should amend the rules for who can be Counsellors of State to limit it to working royals only. It seems sensible to make sure anyone stepping in to represent the King is at least a little up to date with what's going on here.

I'd also be onboard with limiting the HRH to the direct line of succession only, rather than all the children and grandchildren of the monarch. That way you don't get this messy, you have it but you shouldn't use it, which is hard to enforce anyway. It seems to have worked well in Denmark (?) and is modernising without being too modernising as it were. We already have a precedent with the Edinburgh dukedom not being hereditary.

In the modern age royal titles don't need expanding in scope just limit them to those who may end up in charge. I always find references to the Princess of Bourbon Two Sicilies (as I think it runs) hilarious. Who wants to live carting a nonsense title around?

I think if it gives you money and opens doors, some folks will cling on to those titles! Who knows, you might get a "royal tour" to Colombia!

The grey rock approach is working. No contact and no reaction to the increasingly desperate attempts by Harry and his wife to remain relevant. The royal family know that every word of any conversation or contact of any kind will promptly be splashed all over the gutter American news network or tabloids or some vile Netflix whingeathon or another whinging book. Ignoring them and going no contact is working. They are being phased out as irrelevant. Absolutely I think that neither Harry or his wife or his children should retain any titles or a place in the line of succession but removing them will just cause more uproar. Instead the royal family are allowing time to do the job for them by making them irrelevant with nothing else to say.

But while the Wales’s dc are young Harry & his dc are still a short step away from the throne. And then we have the joy that is Andrew!

@TeaMistress "Netflix whingeathon" 😂

I agree.

Removing someone, let along the King's son, from the LoS is a huge deal. don't think it's ever been done in the history of the British monarchy. It would need the approval not only of Westminster, but of all the Overseas Realms too. Members of the royal family can't just decide it over tea and crumpets in Balmoral.

Harry is 5th in line and is already becoming irrelevant. Once George and his siblings start having children he will be pushed further down the line. There's really no need for such a drastic measure.

I think it's a ridiculous silly season article, spouting complete bollocks.

Not only is there no requirement to be resident in Britain to be in the LoS, there isn't even a requirement to be British (eg Norwegian royal family in positions 76-78).

I don't think there is any benefit whatsoever in fiddling with LoS based on current popularity (or more to the point, lack thereof)

But it still happened so it isn't like it can't be done. I mean he's pretty far down the line anyway so it was never a real prospect but it can be done.

I was just making the point that he's back in the LoS.
I say leave well alone. Harry and Meghan are increasingly irrelevant. Although they're quite entertaining!

No, they'd follow the line of succession, which in its full form is maintained to about 1000 people. Even with the British top 30 (and I think some people would struggle to name all them!) all gone, then they'd just move on to the next in line

And point of detail - removing Harry does not automatically remove Archie and Lili. They are separate people, with their own rights.

Even if Harry quit his place (by letting it be known he will abdicate immediately should he ever accede) that would not remove any DC of his who had already been born.
Edward VIII had no DC at the time he abdicated, so the heirs he was referring to were hypothetical ones who would be born after the abdication and it was confirming that no future child would join the succession.

Harry has admitted illegal drug use so we know he has a criminal past even if he never got convicted.

Ultimately I think it would be pointless but I think there is a case for his children not being included. They aren't going to grow up British, I know legally they will/can have dual nationality but they are growing up as Americans and in reality will have very little experience of British royalty. Lilibet wasn't even born here. Again little practical point in doing it, soon enough they will start getting moved down anyway as George, Charlotte and Louis will probably have children who will replace them.

That's different though. Before the reforms, marriage to a Catholic meant automatic exclusion from the LoS. There was nothing really to be 'done'.

With Harry, they'd have to go through a long, complicated and unprecedented procedure, requiring the approval of all of HM realms. And for all that he's extremely annoying, Harry hasn't done anything that bad, when you compare him to previous dukes and princes. It's not going to happen.

Divine Right was abolished by the Glorious Revolution in 1688.

LoS is controlled by law (Act of Settlement 1701)

No I don't think it will happen but the fact is they can make laws, like about marrying a Catholic, it proves you can make changes, it was a law that was made when it was decided they wanted to exclude Catholics so they changed the rules.

Did she actually say that? Out loud? 😮

That provision already exists.

You have to be UK resident to act as CoS. Harry has not been stripped of the right to be one, but cannot be called on whilst he is resident overseas. Andrew is being swept under the carpet, and 2 new CoS appointed as a one-off, just in case.

It makes perfect sense for H&M to be removed from the line of succession. They don't live in UK and all they do is bash the monarchy. Take Harry's Prince title away too and by default the Prince & Princess from A & L.

Kindest thing they could do would be to remove Harry from the line of succession, Harry has said himself that being royal is to be in a cage and that Charles and William are trapped, he also made a whole damn netflix documentary with anti-royalist academics talking about how the royal family harks back to colonialism and racism. I'm sure he'd actually be relieved to be out of it.

Strange how the DM is treated as gospel only when it prints a favourable article about H and M. Some posters were delighted that the DM described Meghan as effortlessly stylish in Colombia .

I wish I had a pound for every time I have read that !
Over the years there have been many declarations that the monarchy is finished . My late parents thought it would end with the Abdication in 1936 then there was the Margaret crisis then Charles and Diana’s divorce then her sad death .
Guess what , the monarchy is still going strong .

It would be a sensible move. Harry has no interest in coming back to live in this country. His children do not take part in royal events.. There is no point in him or his children remaining in the line of succession.

I think they need to be in the LoS to have that connection to royalty, though, @Viviennemary . What are they without it? Why give the children those titles otherwise?