New Meghan and Harry interview

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JAN MOIR: She gave Harry an icy stare any husband would know - watch what you're saying, mister!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13707697/JAN-MOIR-Harry-icy-stare-husband-watch-saying-mister.html

I agree. She also convinced him that he was trapped, he said himself he didn’t realise he was until she told him.

Yep, Stockholm syndrome I reckon! It's all very bizarre. I'd love to know what William and Kate really think. WTF most probably! And How Dare He and probably more

I know Harry's not that bright but surely even he can see that he has grossly invaded the privacy of his brother, his niece and a lot of his family by behaving the way he has.

I reckon Charles Spencer told him not to bring any cameras to the funeral citing respect. And I suspect much was done to keep him as far away from William as possible. If I was William I'd have wanted to deck him.

She also convinced him that he was trapped, he said himself he didn’t realise he was until she told him.

Unfortunately for Harry, while he wasn't trapped then, he certainly is now.

Yep yep. These are all such bright red flags for narcissistic abuse.

I mean if one of my sisters got into a really intense relationship really fast, then cut all of us off, and then started making statements in our local in which she completely rejected all our shared family memories and twisted them into something malevolent despite them having been fine at the time, I would absolutely worry about abuse.

Actually I'd be in a tent camping outside her house until she let me in lol

Obvs the royal family can't do that but that I believe was the true meaning of the phrase 'recollections may vary' - a gentle message to Harry expressing concern that he was twisting up the past in his mind due to M's manipulation.

I've been the victim of narc abuse as has one of my sisters so we are sensitive to this but when we saw the H&M netflix docu we both looked at each other simulatneously and went 'there it is!!!'

Who's going to invite them though?

Indeed

I think if he had married Chelsey he would have achieved that private life he wanted, could have opted out of full time royal life easily and they would have lived a very low profile life somewhere in the middle of a vast estate in Africa. They would have come back for the occasional red carpet and family gathering a bit like Zara, Eugenie and Beatrice. Chelsey seems like a very private person and doesn't court the cameras at all. I think that probably would have made him happy, I think he has made quite a few veiled and not so veiled comments in interviews that indicate she was who he really wanted. She had no agenda and indeed rejected the royal life and fame (or Harry was awful and she didn't want to marry him and used fame as an excuse) and probably protected him from the worst of himself. I'm sure they would have been very popular with the British public as the public mood very much seemed to be "we want Diana's boys to be happy".

unfortunately he got himself tangled up with someone ambitious for fame who has used him as a stepping stone for her own agenda. And they bring out the worst in each other.

I honestly thought good luck to them when they went off to Canada. I swallowed the “stepping back” line and was totally surprised by the Sussex Royal pronouncement. When they hopped over the border to California… well, it was obvious that was the plan all along.

I have a suspicion though that Harry might have been unaware of this, and believed they were going to live their half-in, half-out best life based in British Columbia, doing sporty (and huntery) things.

I don't think he knew what was going on. The way he rambles on, contradicting himself and telling all those odd tales, I do wonder about him, and what's gone wrong.

The way he rambles on, contradicting himself and telling all those odd tales, I do wonder about him

Don't forget his proud declaration that his 3 year old isn't on social media 🤪🤦‍♀️

😂so many classics!

I think Harry was bitter about many aspects of royal life in Britain long before he met Meghan (in 2008 he said in a public interview that he didn't like England). And his dislike of the press has been obvious for ages (and I do understand this).

I think he was ripe for somebody to come along and disillusion him even further. It's just a pity, for his sake, that the life he's escaped to is just as limiting, in its way, as his royal life.

The picture a PP painted of the private life he could have been living on an estate in southern Africa is very vivid and it really rings true that that would have been him living his best life.

I don't think it's all on Meghan that he's not living that life. He is an adult with agency and he's choosing to let her call the shots.

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I agree, @Not2identifying , it's not all on Meghan, he made choices. Although he and Chelsey split up because she didn't want royal life does indicate that he still wanted it, though, otherwise he could have started a new life in Africa, as pp said..

Mm, true. I get the sense he wasn't ready to make the jump back then but it could have also been the personality of his partner - it would have felt to me like an enormous burden/responsibility to the be the person to lead him out of that life. Although it could have been an easier transition if he hadn't burnt his bridges on the way out. It could have been managed along the lines of the late Queen's Malta life which, instead of being temporary, became permanent.

One thing's absolutely for sure. Harry must be terrified of ever divorcing her although I guess there would have been watertight pre-marital contracts put in place to protect the RF from her airing all sorts of laundry in the event of the marriage failing.

Yes, that's true.

She's on record in The Cut interview as saying she never signed anything.

Chelsy dumped Harry and I remember reading what seemed to be a well-sourced article saying that she reluctantly ended it because she could no longer deal with his obsessive self-pity, intermittent rages, and refusal to get psychological help for either of those things.

I agree that Harry's ideal life would be on a private estate in Africa. I think it's telling that the relationship with Meghan became really serious after they went to Botswana. Harry is on record as saying that he was impressed by how much Meghan loved camping (yeah right course she did). I can believe she persuaded him to leave his family by painting lovely pictures of how they could live in Botswana together, well away from the evil tabloids.

Imagine Harry's shock when he discovered that 'a life in Botswana away from the press' actually meant 'a life in Montecito doing endless fake press events and talking to Netflix about how evil colonialism is'.

Too late, he learned that he'd sold his birthright and family out for a handful of gaudy baubles. And all he got out of it was a measly chicken coop.

I have my popcorn ready just in case 🍿

Yes, @GiveMeSpanakopita - they could also have had a very low key wedding, rather than the "spectacle for the masses" 🙄

I think Chelsy is too classy to ever talk about what happened but that rings true, that she thought "fuck this" and off she went.

There was definitely a veiled threat to the "I haven't signed anything" comment from Meghan. I'm quite interested to see what happens if she does decide to talk but she was only in the BRF for 5 minutes so can't imagine she'll have anything much to say on that.

How on earth are they not seeing how deeply unpopular they are? And it's all because of things they say and do, not anything anyone else has said or done.

I would say the life he has now is more limiting. At least with the RF he could have anything he wanted, the world really was his oyster. Now no one likes him (or her) and he’s having to earn enough to pay massive bills and keep his wife in the high style she expects. He didn’t appreciate just how straightforward (and privileged) his life was before.

Idk if Harry is close enough to his feelings to be consciously aware of how he feels in any given situation or to have been shocked that they were going to set up life in Montecito rather than Botswana. He reacts with emotion and it doesn’t surprise me that he was difficult to live with.

@BunnyLake - I 100% agree - the two of them must feel enormous pressure to make their life work. That alone will cause immense stress. Before, they were so looked after.

I think the rumours about dumping him because of his difficult character were after his relationship with Cressida broke down. Harry makes a point of saying he dumped her in his book which might be his revenge.

With Chelsey, I agree, the rumour was that it was the public life she didn't want although I think there was muttering about him not being the world's best BF (I think he was new to army life at the time so was away a lot and still keen on partying, etc).

So many good posts on here.

I’m really glad that Chelsey was the one (or one of the two) who got away. She seems too lovely and down to earth to be married and stuck with the petulant man-child that is Harry.
I do wonder if Harry was happy to rush and marry in haste as he didn’t want Meghan getting/running away. The timing and whirlwind of it all suited both of them.

I think both Chelsey and Cressida had the happy ending they were after. I do feel a bit sorry for them though as the press continues to find them newsworthy, purely on the basis that they were Harry's exes. And, of course, Harry himself has dragged them back into the limelight through his book and court cases.