New Meghan and Harry interview

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JAN MOIR: She gave Harry an icy stare any husband would know - watch what you're saying, mister!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13707697/JAN-MOIR-Harry-icy-stare-husband-watch-saying-mister.html

No . Traditionally , Royal birth announcements list the doctors involved . Archie’s didn’t.

Honestly, these pair lie like it's going to shower money on them ... oh wait 🙄🤔🤡🤡🤡

The thing that no one seems to get is the interpretation Harry puts on events comes from Meghan.
This is the narrative she has convinced him is true. He’s too stupid to think for himself.
I suspect he has spent his life being told what to do and what to think.
The accounts he gives are a mish mash of his understanding and what she’s told him is going on.

Well if he really was hammering the entonox, he probable only has a hazy recollection of what actually happened, so she could feed him any old bullshit about her miraculously elegant labour and her super human quick recovery and discharge from hospital 😆

It seems the only people who wanted to make a drama of the birth announcement was M&H. No one wants drama, drama would mean something had gone wrong.
Most normal people would just want to know , see of the baby, time it was born and that mother and baby are ok.
Silly sussexes.

That’s true, but he seems to have the same garbled understanding of everything else in his life.

It's all just too similar to that "We were married before we were married" bullshit that Megan came out with. As if they could lie about his date of birth etc.

We were married before we were married.
The baby was born before he was born.
Come and pay-per-view us being private.
Watch us unnecessarily surround children with Kevlar shields to talk about children's safety.

It's all most peculiar.

Harry clearly assumes that all readers of Spare have a memory as bad as his own.

What actually happened: the Sussexes completely played power games with the press over Archie’s birth. First they had said that the birth of their baby would be an entirely private event, against usual practice of the Royal family. Their statement of 11 April 2019:

“The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are very grateful for the goodwill they have received from people throughout the United Kingdom and around the world as they prepare to welcome their baby.

“Their royal highnesses have taken a personal decision to keep the plans around the arrival of their baby private. The Duke and Duchess look forward to sharing the exciting news with everyone once they have had an opportunity to celebrate privately as a new family.”

After this provoked some criticism, they backed down and on around 3 May Buckingham palace announced that the couple would make an announcement when the Duchess was in labour and then announce the birth.

In due course, at 2pm on the 6th of May the palace announced Meghan was in labour, and the media all started up their “royal baby watch” cycles. Only for the Sussexes to immediately announce Archie’s birth on their instagram feed. He had in fact been born several hours earlier and they were already back at home when they made the “in labour” announcement.

While this was going on, the Sussexes were also behind the scenes talking to Gayle King of US network CBS to ensure she was in Windsor for an exclusive when they introduced Archie to the world.

I actually feel incredibly sorry for Sara Latham, who would have no doubt had to deal with negotiating with the couple that opting for an entirely private birth (which they said they wanted) would be a completely pyrrhic victory for them as far as the attitudes with the press were concerned, and then would have had to deal with the press fury once they realised they’d been lied to by the press office about Meghan being in labour/the US press being given exclusives behind the scenes. And then Harry has the gall to blame Sara for the whole affair in his book! No wonder she is reported to have said working for them was like working for teenagers, and she wanted out!

What strikes me most is how much drama they created by not doing what Catherine did. I know that they were trying to be private around the birth, which is totally understandable and natural, but by insisting on total privacy, by not releasing details in the usual way, they actually created more of a tabloid fuss than if they had announced when she was in labour and then stood for 30 seconds on the hospital steps.

I don't think Harry has ever grasped that these royal traditions are there for a reason. They are part of the invisible contract between monarch and citizens. You have a privileged life and this we expect you to do certain things: appear at royal occasions, serve charities and patronage, show us a baby that may one day be the heir, let us know who the god parents are of a fairly close heir etc.

Harry wants the life of a self made billionaire, privacy and no criticism, but he has not got the funds necessary, and at the same time he demands the respect due working members of the Royal family, which he isn't anymore. It doesn't work like that so instead of getting the best of both worlds, he gets the worst.

Their behaviour here makes me think a couple of things

Firstly, the fact that only American press were given access not only suggests that the were giving two fingers to the British press, but also implies that they were already looking towards an American audience.

Secondly, in hoodwinking the press, they also metaphorically stuck two fingers up to the British public who would only have wanted to share in their happy news. I sympathise totally with their desire not to indulge the media circus with photos leaving the hospital etc, but why the need for the subterfuge over the time of birth?

The more you look at it with hindsight, the more it seems to be that there was an attempt to monetise the whole thing in some way. The same with trying to get pics of the Late Queen with Lilibet. Giving “exclusives” doesn’t sound to me like they wanted privacy at all

Goodness there are so many holes in the birth story and so many apparent untruths. I actually feel it was the first time they put their two fingers up at the British public and also seemed to be angling to the American audience. The announcement of M going into labour seems to time very well with the American breakfast shows.

@Mylovelygreendress I thought they did name a consultant who later said not involved (?)

I think the plan was to sell the first baby pics to CBS. Standing on the steps of the Portland = zero $ . Exclusive footage for US media = bonanza time. I think the Palace intervened and said No. Thus no one got any pictures.

I meant the official announcement on the board outside BP . Traditionally the names of the doctors are included .
But you are correct in saying that they named a consultant who denied being involved . No wonder rumours started !

Sorry a bit blurred but you can google it.

Thanks @Mylovelygreendress it does make we wonder. Their birth exp also doesn’t appear to tally with the Portland experience.

It might explain why no therapy in the package etc or any obvious first point of call when trouble struck? Any logical reason to lie re: consultant or an error?

Yes. The conspiracy theories around Archie (and Lilibet) are unhinged, but you can certainly see why people have come up with these wild ideas when nothing seems to be straightforward 🤷‍♀️. The drama around the children certainly seems to have been self inflicted

The thing I find the most unbelievable is that Meghan didn’t opt for an elective c section. I don’t know the woman obviously but pushing a baby out naturally with all that entails just doesn’t seem very ‘Meghan’ to me. I’m not saying it to be bitchy, I had two elective c sections myself.

It's strongly discouraged to intervene when there's no medical need.

While this was going on, the Sussexes were also behind the scenes talking to Gayle King of US network CBS to ensure she was in Windsor for an exclusive when they introduced Archie to the world

That's news to me, @Serenster; I didn't know about this bit, and though wanting privacy around Archie's birth was one of the few things I really admired them for, this may well put a very different complexion on it

Bearing in mind the background thing of "why say she was in labour when Archie had already been born" I'll clearly have to look into this further - though any links you might happen to have would be appreciated

I requested c sections and got them. I’m not too posh to push but I just didn’t fancy it.

Here’s a Vanity Fair article you may find interesting, Puzzledandpissedoff.

It confirms that Gayle King, who was one of the attendees at Meghan’s baby shower in New York, “will join a small team of British press to capture the moment when Prince Harry and Meghan Markle present their newborn son to the world”. That took place on 8 May, two days after his birth.

Interestingly, the Vanity Fair article also notes that “other U.S. broadcasters as well as broadcasters from Canada and Australia in the Commonwealth, applied for a position at the photo call but lost out to CBS. King is making a documentary about the royal baby and has had unrivaled access to the couple” (that documeny was called “Harry & Meghan Plus One” and aired on 17 May)

Also stated, in the article but not verified was that Gayle King was a guest of the Sussexes at Frogmore before Archie’s arrival.

And as for timing, if you were in the US watching the morning news, here’s how it played out, perfectly choreographed:
First: NEWS REPORT: Buckingham Palace has announced that the Duchess of Sussex has gone into labor.
Then came the Instagram”NEWS REPORT: We now know they've had a baby boy.
Followed by a surprise appearance by the very proud and giddy Prince Harry.
PRINCE HARRY: I haven't been to many births [laughs]. This is definitely my first birth. Uh, it was amazing … I'm so incredibly proud of my wife and … this little thing is absolutely to die for so I'm just over the moon.

(that was exactly how the timeline was presented by Gayle King in “Harry & Meghan Plus One”, by the way)

Archie’s official presentation also took place two days later in the early afternoon UK time - perfectly timed for broadcasting on US morning shows.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/05/gayle-king-royal-baby-reveal

Ugh, isn't it weird and repulsive, all the machinations around the north of your first baby 🤮