New Meghan and Harry interview

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JAN MOIR: She gave Harry an icy stare any husband would know - watch what you're saying, mister!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13707697/JAN-MOIR-Harry-icy-stare-husband-watch-saying-mister.html

Quite, they might have stopped giving gas and air, it's not going to do much for pain ...hence epidural ....

And yes they'd absolutely monitor baby for more than 1 hour with cord round neck, at least 12 hours, probably more! So someone has varying recollections...

He says they left with his ‘hour old son’ & ‘within two hours we were back at Frogmore’. So yes, they left after an hour.

He adds he was very upset at having to deceive the press at this point & say M had just gone into labour because the press demanded a ‘dramatic’ ‘suspenseful’ story.

He adds he was very upset at having to deceive the press at this point & say M had just gone into labour because the press demanded a ‘dramatic’ ‘suspenseful’ story.

Did they? or is that just Harry’s over active imagination again?

I understood why they wanted to keep the fact that M had gone into labour quiet. Because as an older mum, higher risk of compications etc. I sympathise with them wanting to kind of keep quiet and not have the medi camped outside the hospital. I would feel the same

I don't remember anything dramatic and suspenseful when Kate was in hospital with her three. Just an announcement then a few minutes on the steps on their way home. Minimal drama. No suspense.

There are conflicting stories in Harry's and Omid's books:

Archie was born at 05:26.

In Spare, Harry says:
I don't remember phoning anyone, texting them. I remember watching the nurses run tests on my hour-old son, and then we were out of there. Into the lift, into the underground car park, into the people-carrier, and gone. Within two hours of our son being born we were back at Frogmore. The sun had risen and we were behind closed doors before the official announcement was released …
Saying Meg had gone into labour?
I had a tiff with Sara about that. You know she 's not in labour any more, I said.
She explained that the press must be given the dramatic, suspenseful story they demanded.
But it's not true, I said.
Ah, truth didn't matter. Keeping people tuned to the show, that was the thing.

In Finding Freedom, Scobie says:
Harry took to texting and calling friends ... and family ... Lastly, Harry had Palace aides to inform, including Sara, which he did at 9:30 a.m., just as they were leaving to return to Frogmore Cottage.

So, were they back at home within 2 hours or 4+ hours?

It surely a quick Google will corroborate his story or not? He's implying Archie was born BEFORE any announcement that she was in her way to give birth?

She can't have been in labour at 9:30 if she'd given birth at 5:40 ...

Going to Google it....

Anyone who has had a baby knows it’s bullshit. Anyone whose had an epidural knows it’s bullshit.

An hour after birth I was being cleaned up, wounds checked, baby being checked and cleaned up. I then had some tea and toast then tried to feed the baby whilst being supervised. I also had an epidural and couldn’t walk so a lot of that took more time. I can’t see being private would make it any quicker. All that above took many hours.

Why lie when the truth is so important to him? He also says first epidural failed to work.

I had a tiff with Sara about that. You know she 's not in labour any more, I said.
She explained that the press must be given the dramatic, suspenseful story they demanded.
But it's not true, I said.
Ah, truth didn't matter. Keeping people tuned to the show, that was the thing.

There's no way in a million years a seasoned professional like Sara Lathem was advocating lying to the press about the time of the birth knowing that as soon as the birth certificate was published that they would look like liars and idiots.

There's no way that she would advocate lying to create a dramatic, suspenseful story.

If someone said those words to Harry it absolutely wasn't Sara Lathem.

I agree, I had an epidural and couldn't walk properly for a while, plus they don't let you leave until feeding is established (around here anyway). Just the faff of getting discharged takes more than an hour. Absolute bullshit as per normal. He must think people are idiots.

@wordler surely she did or she’d dispute? You can’t write as you like.

@Hughs or can those with clout do as they please esp if nurses/Dr in attendance at home? There is much that doesn’t add up here.

Maybe, I guess - seems a bit odd to leave after an hour with Meghan no doubt in a wheelchair and Archie maybe feeding ok, maybe not, when if they waited a bit they both could have had time to recover with support and medical supervision.

Dispute? You mean sue Harry in court? Go to the papers and 'tell her side of the story?"

She's a professional PR person - going to court for defamation would only be worth it if Harry's story had seriously damaged her professional career.

Anyone in her world and potential employers would know instantly that Harry's story is complete garbage - so the cost of going to court is not worth it as it won't have damaged her reputation.

Similarly 'telling her story' in the press, just become a 'he said, she said' and would also make her look bad because no one wants to hire a PR expert who criticises past clients.

Also, I suspect she was very angry about lots of things that happened with Harry and Meghan and was 'placated' with a lovely promotion to the late Queen's household doing special projects and reporting directly to the Queen's private secretary. You don't get hired to a better position in the top office if you've personally mismanaged a PR event like a royal birth. That alone tells me she wasn't the one trying to create a drama for the press.

@wordler I don’t dispute her professionalism but genuinely surprised someone can effectively put words in your mouth to that end if that’s what’s occured.

Well, he said that he had some of Meghan's gas and air didn't he. So his recollection of timelines may vary.

That sort of thing happens all the time - people quote people incorrectly or attribute something to the wrong person.

It's why journalists are supposed to keep their written notes for a long time to be able to show contemporaneous notes and quotes they took down. Or a recording of the interview.

It will be interesting to see if the quotation is exactly the same in the new paperback version because that's one place where it could be subtly changed without making a big public fuss.

Alternatively she may have agreed to simply ignore and sweep it under the carpet and rely on people who know her, knowing it wasn't true.

Because if it was her, it would make her look like a massive idiot who couldn't work out that the announcements were not going to match the birth certificate time.

I was left with the gas and air after my stitches were being done, and I was left sitting in bloody sheets for about 4 hours before we went up to the ward overnight.

But it absolutely didn't feel like four hours. Just another example of him bullishly insisting his recollection is perfect.

My old CEO and I used to use "recollections may vary" about an ex business partner who would pull that kind of shit even with timestamped emails written by him proving the opposite!

The whole book is very problematic - with all the many provable factual mistakes, Harry himself saying his memory is unreliable "Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does… and there’s just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts.”

and the ghost writer quoting another ghost writer in defence of all the factual mistakes:

“The line between memory and fact is blurry, interpretation and fact,”

"with “intense memories,” people “often record the emotion alone, all detail blurred into unreadable smear.”

Thing is surely M would have picked up on & edited her birth story for him? The inconsistencies etc noted?

If Harry was arguing with Sara at (or before) 09:30 about the announcement, why then did Buckingham Palace announce at 14:00 that Meghan had gone into labour? That's 4+ hours later than the conversation according to Scobie's book. And by then the Queen and the rest of the family had already been told. It's really all rather bizarre.

And another thing..Unless they went home in a helicopter it's about an hour from the Portland to Windsor. It's not as if it was 20 minutes so you really are looking at her leaving the hospital 1 hr after a complicated delivery. Didn't she want to even have a wash afterwards ?

more holes than a sieve, that story. Recollections may vary, indeed.

Unless you've been sectioned, deemed to be lacking capacity under the mental capacity act or the baby taken into state control then yes, anyone is free to leave a hospital against medical advice.
they might say 'you can't go' but what they actually mean is 'we advise you don't'. If you have capacity you are entitled to make your own decisions and they cannot stop you, no matter how ill advised.
had I decided I wasn't prepared to wait to have a bath and pass urine after giving birth, they could not have prevented me leaving the hospital with my daughter as there was absolutely no grounds for them to have detained me as I was in full control of my wits and there was nothing physically wrong with either of us. I was home by 11am having entered the hospital at 6.30am, given birth at 06.40 and that was very fast to go home. We only lived 10 mins from the hospital and I didn't even have gas abd air. I can't see Meghan getting home quicker than that having had an epidural and poss an episiotomy and an hour journey home.

Did they name the consultant ?

Thanks @StiffyByngsDogBartholomew they wanted to avoid a hospital birth in first place.