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BigWillyLittleTodger · 19/08/2024 22:58

smilesy · 19/08/2024 22:42

I’m not sure why this counts as working as every time anyone tries to say that any other member of the RF does background work, such as sending emails, phone calls or being up thinking about projects, there is a loud chorus of “that’s not real work” 😂😂

So true!

Runnerinthenight · 19/08/2024 23:12

BigWillyLittleTodger · 19/08/2024 22:58

So true!

It's just ignorance and double standards really.

Vespanest · 20/08/2024 07:44

Sending the emails at 5/6 o’clock is problematic if you are expecting a response. I still find it repulsive the way Harry spoke about the staff in Spare. There was so much gossip it was just glossed over.

BunnyLake · 20/08/2024 09:14

WinnieTheW0rm · 19/08/2024 22:19

Maybe that's what he wants too.

He already had money and fame.

PoppysAunt · 20/08/2024 09:15

He wanted more, and on his own terms, not controlled as part of the official RF.

Thinkingabouttherapy · 20/08/2024 12:35

The strangest thing about all of this is the way that H&M seem to believe their own hype. They seem to genuinely imagine that people are interested in them as people- they completely overlook the fact that they are only of interest due to their (increasingly tenuous) links to the real royals. The meaningless babble in Meghan’s speeches seems strangely apt - as does the Temu royal slight. They are like a cheap, ersatz version of the real thing.

BunnyLake · 20/08/2024 15:18

Thinkingabouttherapy · 20/08/2024 12:35

The strangest thing about all of this is the way that H&M seem to believe their own hype. They seem to genuinely imagine that people are interested in them as people- they completely overlook the fact that they are only of interest due to their (increasingly tenuous) links to the real royals. The meaningless babble in Meghan’s speeches seems strangely apt - as does the Temu royal slight. They are like a cheap, ersatz version of the real thing.

Which the late Queen was very wisely aware of. She understood it was the position that people were interested in, not her per se. I think Catherine is well aware of that view and Sophie too. H&M though think they’re blinking superstars. There’s a clip of Harry yelling to the crowd in (I think Cali) as if he’s bloody Bruce Springsteen.

BunnyLake · 20/08/2024 15:19

PoppysAunt · 20/08/2024 09:15

He wanted more, and on his own terms, not controlled as part of the official RF.

He’s controlled by Meghan now.

FloofPaws · 20/08/2024 16:42

Vespanest · 20/08/2024 07:44

Sending the emails at 5/6 o’clock is problematic if you are expecting a response. I still find it repulsive the way Harry spoke about the staff in Spare. There was so much gossip it was just glossed over.

What did he say about staff in Spare?

Vespanest · 20/08/2024 18:00

FloofPaws · 20/08/2024 16:42

What did he say about staff in Spare?

“In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult.
“More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept. For all this, every bit of it, Willy blamed one person. Meg. He told me so several times and he got cross when I told him he was out of line. He was just repeating the press narrative, spouting fake stories he’d read or been told.”

Anyone in charge of staff who are openly weeping at their desks and his only concern was Meghan getting the blame and not the staff. that his constructive criticism was seen an insult, yeah because they were being insulted

Runnerinthenight · 20/08/2024 18:11

Yet he was concerned to find Meghan weeping on the floor...!

And there's no such thing "as constructive criticism" being acceptable when it's going the other way!

elessar · 20/08/2024 19:28

It's so bizarre that Harry talks about things that he freely admits happened repeatedly (staff weeping at their desks) and then goes on to say that William was just repeating the made up press narrative about what was happening, when he could clearly see it for his own eyes. It's a level of delusion and denial that's really shocking.

BunnyLake · 20/08/2024 19:34

Runnerinthenight · 20/08/2024 18:11

Yet he was concerned to find Meghan weeping on the floor...!

And there's no such thing "as constructive criticism" being acceptable when it's going the other way!

I’m starting to have this image of Harry and the staff getting to the stage where they’re just stepping over her, getting on with their day, while she’s having another floor sprawling sob.

thecatsthecats · 20/08/2024 20:13

Vespanest · 20/08/2024 18:00

“In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult.
“More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept. For all this, every bit of it, Willy blamed one person. Meg. He told me so several times and he got cross when I told him he was out of line. He was just repeating the press narrative, spouting fake stories he’d read or been told.”

Anyone in charge of staff who are openly weeping at their desks and his only concern was Meghan getting the blame and not the staff. that his constructive criticism was seen an insult, yeah because they were being insulted

A few years back I was in charge of turning around a toxic work culture, where both yelling and weeping were weekly events.

It took a lot of work and a few staff leaving (partly because of bad behaviour during the transition, partly because the organisation had nothing more to offer them but management were clinging on to them, making them very frustrated). I had to deal with several unpleasant circumstances before things got better.

But you know who was the biggest problem? The one who thought he was the most compassionate, the most generous and kind. He was the one making people cry, undermining people, frustrating them. He was the one undermining my handling of the situation, including having difficult conversations such as, "no, sorry, the organisation doesn't have any work of the kind you want", or "no, it's not ok to yell at everyone when you don't get your way".

MrsLeonFarrell · 20/08/2024 21:12

elessar · 20/08/2024 19:28

It's so bizarre that Harry talks about things that he freely admits happened repeatedly (staff weeping at their desks) and then goes on to say that William was just repeating the made up press narrative about what was happening, when he could clearly see it for his own eyes. It's a level of delusion and denial that's really shocking.

He is completely delusional. That William would need to read the papers rather than watching what was going on in front of him is a bizarre notion. Harry really does think that how he feels is truth, regardless of actual facts.

PoppysAunt · 20/08/2024 21:54

MrsLeonFarrell · 20/08/2024 21:12

He is completely delusional. That William would need to read the papers rather than watching what was going on in front of him is a bizarre notion. Harry really does think that how he feels is truth, regardless of actual facts.

Also, it shows Harry's obsession with thinking people getting information about him from the tabloids, rather than observing his behaviour.
It's frequently deployed on here: people regularly accuse others of getting information from the tabloids, when it's actually come from Harry and Meghan themselves.

StartupRepair · 20/08/2024 22:06

William comes out of this well, that he was concerned for the employees.

PoppysAunt · 20/08/2024 22:13

Yes, that's true, @StartupRepair .

User14March · 21/08/2024 08:39

I’ve heard anecdotally William is very thoughtful re: staff.

lemonpepperlady · 27/08/2024 11:43

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User14March · 27/08/2024 11:55

@lemonpepperlady I was pretty shocked by recount of the history master who rather than patronise Harry I felt was trying to help & inspire him, ‘the more I call on you the more you’ll learn’. The servile staff that knew their place & deferred, preferred. How very lucky he was to have a teacher who sought to inspire him, this is lost on him. Ours read the papers whilst getting us to read the textbook.

The gift of the history ruler H sees as a total insult. Was it?

coolmum123 · 27/08/2024 12:31

BunnyLake · 20/08/2024 15:18

Which the late Queen was very wisely aware of. She understood it was the position that people were interested in, not her per se. I think Catherine is well aware of that view and Sophie too. H&M though think they’re blinking superstars. There’s a clip of Harry yelling to the crowd in (I think Cali) as if he’s bloody Bruce Springsteen.

😂😂

WillowWands · 27/08/2024 13:07

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I think that’s very true. He sounds like an appalling snob with no sensitivity or empathy. I didn’t think that before he married.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 27/08/2024 14:15

User14March · 07/08/2024 10:43

@WillowWands I don’t see using a surrogate to be such a batshit crazy idea (for one or both of her children) as increasingly the norm for those in her circle as is egg freezing. Egg freezing is pretty routine & surrogate use openly discussed in US/Canada actress crowd. Preserves figure & career longevity for soap actresses unfortunately. Weight loss injections also unthinkable for those with a normal BMI or low BMI & for us mere mortals but it’s going on in CA & in London & elsewhere amongst a certain demographic.

If a surrogate used & it came out it would effectively violate laws of succession etc so possibly why titles much more vital if the case?

Not good PR for Portland re: turfing out in an hour, need for Nandos in delivery suite (would an A type woman really allow?) & running out of gas & air! Etc.

There's absolutely no way on earth that the Portland hospital would run out of gas and air for a royal delivery. It's just bollocks.

i had a completely unmedicated delivery with a tiny tear that was sewn up in minutes and even I wasn't allowed to go home from the nhs hospital for at least a couple of hours after birth. There's no way she was going home an hour after a delivery with an epidural and a cord round the neck. It's just bollocks.

everything that was written in that book appears to be utter bollocks.

Hughs · 27/08/2024 14:52

There's no way she was going home an hour after a delivery with an epidural and a cord round the neck.

Is that what he says, she went home an hour after giving birth with an epidural? 🤪

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