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Aerialpigeon · 18/08/2024 18:16

I read somewhere that getting dresses made at a french fashion house was always going to be high risk for the amount of time/number of fittings they would have, but Meghan had her heart set on it.

It sounds to me that Kate probably had a sound knowledge about protocols, tights and made to measure clothing etc, but Meghan thought she was just creating problems - hence the falling out at the fittings and down the line when the dresses arrived and needed intensive adjustments at the 11th hour.

However frustrated/upset Meghan might have been at the time (both about wedding plans and the stuff with her dad which she alluded to in the Oprah interview) I suspect Kate has been unfairly maligned for trying to keep things on track.

PoppysAunt · 18/08/2024 18:21

Kate was either just about to give birth to Louis, or immediately post partum. At no point have either H&M mentioned this other than Meghan's rather rude claims about Kate's "baby brain".

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/08/2024 18:21

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/08/2024 17:58

I have always felt that a lot of the stories were probably the result of the stress of it all

That could easily be true, @MrsLeonFarrell, especially when you add on the to-and-fro with dad and all the rest - but it doesn't explain the pig's ear of a job made by a massively respected couture brand who'll be well used to exacting demands

And as Gorgonemilezola just reminded us, William and Kate's engagement was a matter of mere months too

The thread about the dresses that was reference above was fascinating. One poster made the point that children's dresses are completely different from adults and that previous royal brides had used companies that specialised in children's wedding wear. It would explain the terrible fit.

WillowWands · 18/08/2024 18:22

PoppysAunt · 18/08/2024 18:21

Kate was either just about to give birth to Louis, or immediately post partum. At no point have either H&M mentioned this other than Meghan's rather rude claims about Kate's "baby brain".

Her brother was also suffering from depression.

PoppysAunt · 18/08/2024 18:24

WillowWands · 18/08/2024 18:22

Her brother was also suffering from depression.

Yet none of that ever gets mentioned by H&M. They are so self absorbed.

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/08/2024 18:24

smilesy · 18/08/2024 18:05

It’s interesting though when you think how many things involving the Sussexes have gone off half cocked. They have started loads of things and never followed them up (Travelyst, Archewell to a large extent, 40x40, ARO, the Bench, Pearl, Spotify and so on) and they have been lots of incidents of ill fitting clothing, labels left on, sweat marks and so on. They have a huge turnover of staff. They seem to go at everything like a bull at a gate and then stand around wondering what to do next. The bridesmaids dresses seemed to be a foreshadowing of all that

I have to come to the conclusion that they won't listen to advice. No one is an expert on everything, everyone needs advice when starting something new. They have an idea, rush into it and then move on when it flops.

They don't seem to care about detail at all. I suppose that worked for Harry when he had staff and was part of the Royal establishment but now he doesn't have to listen to anyone and it's obvious he hasn't got the skills to start anything or see it through.

smilesy · 18/08/2024 19:17

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/08/2024 18:24

I have to come to the conclusion that they won't listen to advice. No one is an expert on everything, everyone needs advice when starting something new. They have an idea, rush into it and then move on when it flops.

They don't seem to care about detail at all. I suppose that worked for Harry when he had staff and was part of the Royal establishment but now he doesn't have to listen to anyone and it's obvious he hasn't got the skills to start anything or see it through.

They always seem to be looking for a quick fix or solution as to what to do with themselves. Hence the lack of attention to detail. They have no inclination to build something up slowly or put in hard groundwork. They want all the rewards without any effort and when it goes wrong they want to blame someone else

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/08/2024 19:19

smilesy · 18/08/2024 19:17

They always seem to be looking for a quick fix or solution as to what to do with themselves. Hence the lack of attention to detail. They have no inclination to build something up slowly or put in hard groundwork. They want all the rewards without any effort and when it goes wrong they want to blame someone else

I suppose that is the modern social media world, all talk no action. We need more people who act rather than talk.

thecatsthecats · 18/08/2024 19:22

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/08/2024 18:21

The thread about the dresses that was reference above was fascinating. One poster made the point that children's dresses are completely different from adults and that previous royal brides had used companies that specialised in children's wedding wear. It would explain the terrible fit.

Except that doesn't massively fly as an excuse when Sewing Bee contestants have a children's week, and there's always at least one contestant who nails it, and they're amateurs!

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/08/2024 19:29

thecatsthecats · 18/08/2024 19:22

Except that doesn't massively fly as an excuse when Sewing Bee contestants have a children's week, and there's always at least one contestant who nails it, and they're amateurs!

But it explains why the other royal bride used companies that specialise, their frocks were much better.

Meghan's dress didn't actually fit her, they're was a rumour she kept changing her mind about the design so maybe it was all just chaotic?

MummyJ12 · 18/08/2024 19:45

MrsLeonFarrell · 18/08/2024 18:24

I have to come to the conclusion that they won't listen to advice. No one is an expert on everything, everyone needs advice when starting something new. They have an idea, rush into it and then move on when it flops.

They don't seem to care about detail at all. I suppose that worked for Harry when he had staff and was part of the Royal establishment but now he doesn't have to listen to anyone and it's obvious he hasn't got the skills to start anything or see it through.

Absolutely this. Then they apportion blame elsewhere when it flops, probably another reason why they have such a high turnover of staff.

For someone who claims to have a meticulous attention to detail, Meghan doesn’t seem to have any.

They aren’t that bright and they obviously also aren’t that hardworking either. They want instant gratification and success. Then the failure feeds into their sense of victim hood and rejection.

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/08/2024 20:42

I think it’s been discussed and speculated on before that the ensuing chaos and lack of focus is perhaps reflective of someone with adhd. Idk if that’s true or not. But it would explain a lot including why the dresses were only ready at the 11th hour.

wordler · 18/08/2024 22:50

PoppysAunt · 18/08/2024 18:21

Kate was either just about to give birth to Louis, or immediately post partum. At no point have either H&M mentioned this other than Meghan's rather rude claims about Kate's "baby brain".

The wedding was 26 days after Kate gave birth to Louis. Assuming she took at least five days to recover from the birth - there was then just three weeks before the wedding to try to sort out the bridesmaid dress issues - no wonder there were tears and tense words spoken/texted.

I still can’t believe she managed to get into that pale yellow dress and go to the wedding at 26 days postpartum. She must have great undergarments - I don’t think I’d have risked a pale yellow dress with leaky boobs etc at that point.

WillowWands · 18/08/2024 22:53

wordler · 18/08/2024 22:50

The wedding was 26 days after Kate gave birth to Louis. Assuming she took at least five days to recover from the birth - there was then just three weeks before the wedding to try to sort out the bridesmaid dress issues - no wonder there were tears and tense words spoken/texted.

I still can’t believe she managed to get into that pale yellow dress and go to the wedding at 26 days postpartum. She must have great undergarments - I don’t think I’d have risked a pale yellow dress with leaky boobs etc at that point.

I remember wondering at the time why on earth they would have chosen that date , knowing Kate would just have given birth. It was incredibly thoughtless. Or perhaps there was another agenda?

cloudsss · 18/08/2024 23:41

I think Meghan at least is hardworking. TV can be long hours. She’s a hustler and they aren’t lazy. Didn’t she used to send emails at 6am? But I agree on all the unfinished projects and the good idea but lack of skill to see it through and I think the unwillingness to listen to experts. ARO launched in March and now… crickets. Don’t they realise how that looks?

Runnerinthenight · 19/08/2024 00:23

cloudsss · 18/08/2024 23:41

I think Meghan at least is hardworking. TV can be long hours. She’s a hustler and they aren’t lazy. Didn’t she used to send emails at 6am? But I agree on all the unfinished projects and the good idea but lack of skill to see it through and I think the unwillingness to listen to experts. ARO launched in March and now… crickets. Don’t they realise how that looks?

She doesn't come across as at all hardworking!

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/08/2024 06:10

cloudsss · 18/08/2024 23:41

I think Meghan at least is hardworking. TV can be long hours. She’s a hustler and they aren’t lazy. Didn’t she used to send emails at 6am? But I agree on all the unfinished projects and the good idea but lack of skill to see it through and I think the unwillingness to listen to experts. ARO launched in March and now… crickets. Don’t they realise how that looks?

I agree TV can be long hours. Weren’t those emails requests for people to do things rather than her working?

cloudsss · 19/08/2024 09:32

I don’t know, but that’s still working. If you’re a manager sending emails to get the people you manage to do stuff, that’s still counted as working? She could have been asleep at 6am, but she was up thinking about projects or tours or whatever it was. Whether she still is hard-working now, I don’t know. The office they showed on whatever programme it was didn’t exactly look like it was designed for anyone to work long hours in.

Uricon2 · 19/08/2024 11:08

Honestly, that dress. As a 60s child, I had the obligatory white party dress (that you wore to every occasion until you could no longer be crammed into it, I still loathe Peter Pan collars to this day) It was most certainly not couture but better made than the one little Charlotte wore and fitted (well, when purchased!)

I agree with @MrsLeonFarrell about them not taking advice and have thought that for a while. They seem to have a scattergun approach where they are starting random things and when those don't immediately succeed, they are abandoned and on they move to the next idea. Stepping back, looking at whats failed and why and formulating a plan to do better would seem sensible but I think that would take more humility and willingness to be advised than they seem to possess.

Grateeggspectations · 19/08/2024 12:29

I think Harry was so carefully protected and steered when he was within the royal family that he is in free fall now. Having left the guidance and structure of his family he needed to be married to someone who could provide a stable and supportive life for him. However, I think Meghan is all about instant gratification, money and fame.

BunnyLake · 19/08/2024 14:45

Grateeggspectations · 19/08/2024 12:29

I think Harry was so carefully protected and steered when he was within the royal family that he is in free fall now. Having left the guidance and structure of his family he needed to be married to someone who could provide a stable and supportive life for him. However, I think Meghan is all about instant gratification, money and fame.

Yup, he took off his parachute when he married her and it’s been a steep, fast drop since.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/08/2024 21:49

cloudsss · 19/08/2024 09:32

I don’t know, but that’s still working. If you’re a manager sending emails to get the people you manage to do stuff, that’s still counted as working? She could have been asleep at 6am, but she was up thinking about projects or tours or whatever it was. Whether she still is hard-working now, I don’t know. The office they showed on whatever programme it was didn’t exactly look like it was designed for anyone to work long hours in.

Doesn’t that depend? If it’s delegating to palace staff asking them to provide x, y and z, then I would say not. H&M didn’t have their own court.

WinnieTheW0rm · 19/08/2024 22:19

Grateeggspectations · 19/08/2024 12:29

I think Harry was so carefully protected and steered when he was within the royal family that he is in free fall now. Having left the guidance and structure of his family he needed to be married to someone who could provide a stable and supportive life for him. However, I think Meghan is all about instant gratification, money and fame.

Maybe that's what he wants too.

PoppysAunt · 19/08/2024 22:33

Yes, he's a greedy man.

smilesy · 19/08/2024 22:42

cloudsss · 19/08/2024 09:32

I don’t know, but that’s still working. If you’re a manager sending emails to get the people you manage to do stuff, that’s still counted as working? She could have been asleep at 6am, but she was up thinking about projects or tours or whatever it was. Whether she still is hard-working now, I don’t know. The office they showed on whatever programme it was didn’t exactly look like it was designed for anyone to work long hours in.

I’m not sure why this counts as working as every time anyone tries to say that any other member of the RF does background work, such as sending emails, phone calls or being up thinking about projects, there is a loud chorus of “that’s not real work” 😂😂

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