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MummyJ12 · 08/08/2024 18:37

I think The Prince’s Trust (now or soon to be The King’s Trust) was and is still massively innovative.
The Royal Family don’t have to be innovative though due mainly to patronages.
Harry and Meghan wanted to “carve out a new role”. Innovation is necessary for them to be successful.

wordler · 08/08/2024 18:55

The problem they have is overtime it’s become so easy to not believe anything they say. And this is a real issue if you are hoping to have any kind of success commercially or for your charitable causes.

Together they’re been bizarrely inconsistent with even the most simple stories about their lives - how they met - the first date story has changed several times, the proposal story was told one way and then shown on video as something else, the racism against unborn Archie story has had four different versions at least.

Separately they are problematic too.

Harry admits in print that his memory doesn’t always work accurately and proves it by telling several stories in Spare that can be show to be completely untrue. How he heard about the Queen Mum’s death is one example.

Meghan has to add dramatic flourishes to every story about herself which starts to make you doubt everything she says - weeping when the lights when down at the theatre event the night she told Harry she felt suicidal.

She might have felt like crying inside but she claims she was ‘weeping’ every time the lights went down without thinking how it’s possible to look at the footage and see absolutely no evidence - no red eyes, no smudged makeup, no tear tracks, no one around her noticing anything and it would definitely have been remarked on at the time.

I’m fairly sure the ‘near catastrophic’ car ‘chase’ in New York is her phrasing because it’s such a dramatic way to describe a fairly mundane walking pace pap hassle.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 19:25

WillowWands · 08/08/2024 18:37

More lies then…

Two of the sets of parents lost their children not to social media but because they bought unsafe drugs online. I really don’t understand how they square Harry’s drug use and pushing of hallucinogenics for therapy with him an an advocate for parents seeking to protect their children from harm.

Mylovelygreendress · 08/08/2024 19:26

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/08/2024 16:54

Jan Moir is vile. Why would anyone read her?

In your opinion.
i happen to think she is a pretty shrewd judge of character .

PoppysAunt · 08/08/2024 19:50

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 19:25

Two of the sets of parents lost their children not to social media but because they bought unsafe drugs online. I really don’t understand how they square Harry’s drug use and pushing of hallucinogenics for therapy with him an an advocate for parents seeking to protect their children from harm.

It's extraordinary, isn't it?

Rhaidimiddim · 08/08/2024 20:00

PoppysAunt · 08/08/2024 19:50

It's extraordinary, isn't it?

Do they work for Archewell?

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 20:02

I doubt it @Rhaidimiddim (I sincerely hope not - that would be highly inappropriate).

Rhaidimiddim · 08/08/2024 20:11

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 20:02

I doubt it @Rhaidimiddim (I sincerely hope not - that would be highly inappropriate).

Just that it has been noted by people (on MN and in the American.printed media) that this same couple were with them at that Mental Health thing in New York last year.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 20:40

Rhaidimiddim · 08/08/2024 20:11

Just that it has been noted by people (on MN and in the American.printed media) that this same couple were with them at that Mental Health thing in New York last year.

I know, I wonder if these parents met them at the NY event and continued to consult on the project. It’s very odd if they pretended to not know each other at the CBS interview.

Rhaidimiddim · 08/08/2024 20:45

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 20:40

I know, I wonder if these parents met them at the NY event and continued to consult on the project. It’s very odd if they pretended to not know each other at the CBS interview.

Winder how Jane Pauley feels about that detail.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/08/2024 20:59

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 19:25

Two of the sets of parents lost their children not to social media but because they bought unsafe drugs online. I really don’t understand how they square Harry’s drug use and pushing of hallucinogenics for therapy with him an an advocate for parents seeking to protect their children from harm.

Who's "they" though, Mymilkshake - unless you meant H&M themselves?

Because AFAIK nobody's asked them to plaster themselves all over this very sensitive issue; they've done that all by themselves with fairly predictable results so far

Personally I'm just hoping that those results don't come to include actual harm to others, but as ever time will tell

smilesy · 08/08/2024 21:02

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/08/2024 20:59

Who's "they" though, Mymilkshake - unless you meant H&M themselves?

Because AFAIK nobody's asked them to plaster themselves all over this very sensitive issue; they've done that all by themselves with fairly predictable results so far

Personally I'm just hoping that those results don't come to include actual harm to others, but as ever time will tell

I read that as “they” meaning the children 🤷‍♀️

eta. Oh, you mean the other they 😆

Thedom · 08/08/2024 23:18

I meant to post this on this thread and not the other one ..............

Totally off topic, but have you seen Colin Farrells interview about setting up his foundation and discussing his son, , who is profoundly disabled with a rare genetic disorder

A humble, modest interview, no self pity just a wonderful loving, genuine and heartwrenching discussion about why he is setting up the Foundation, discussing the plans he has for it, discussing his sons challenges, and heaping praise on the person who is running it with him.

It is absolutely worth a watch
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After I watched it, i couldn't help but compare it to the CBS interview with H&M, the difference is stark and explains why they really are seen as not having a genuine authentic bone in their body.
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elprup · 08/08/2024 23:21

If Trump gets into the White House again, it sounds like he wouldn’t hold back on attempting to get Harry deported…!

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elprup · 08/08/2024 23:22

@Thedom I was so impressed by that Colin Farrell interview.

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 08/08/2024 23:32

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/08/2024 20:59

Who's "they" though, Mymilkshake - unless you meant H&M themselves?

Because AFAIK nobody's asked them to plaster themselves all over this very sensitive issue; they've done that all by themselves with fairly predictable results so far

Personally I'm just hoping that those results don't come to include actual harm to others, but as ever time will tell

I meant these parents. Why do they think Harry of all people should represent or advise kids like theirs, given his prolific and prolonged use of illegal drugs?

sausawyee · 09/08/2024 01:30

MummyJ12 · 08/08/2024 18:21

So it has been pointed out to me that the parents that Harry and Meghan “met” as part of launching this, on CBS Sunday morning, were the same parents that attended the Archewell event in New York for Mental Health Day last year. It was made out that this was the first time that they had all met. (The father from Sunday’s interview can be found sat second left to Harry in the New York group photo.) The couple in the middle of the table from Sunday’s programme are far right in the same group photo.

Oh for goodness sake 🙄 it really is exasperating ! So much pretence!

GiveMeSpanakopita · 09/08/2024 07:58

I was quite surprised H&M chose CBS to give this highly sensitive interview given that CBS was the only US television network which tried to publish photos of the dying Diana in the car crash.

CBS obtained these pictures through, some have accused, nefarious means. They also planned a documentary which implied that the crash was an assassination.

Given the severe trauma and PTSD Harry feels about how the media treated his mother, which he discussed at length on his Netflix documentary, I am slightly surprised he felt comfortable granting such an interview to CBS.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1460005/Pictures-of-dying-Diana-shown-on-US-television.html

Pictures of dying Diana shown on US television

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1460005/Pictures-of-dying-Diana-shown-on-US-television.html

FloofPaws · 09/08/2024 08:16

@GiveMeSpanakopita -I think everything goes out of the window when they show H&M the cash or become a platform for them to spout their crap

GiveMeSpanakopita · 09/08/2024 08:35

FloofPaws · 09/08/2024 08:16

@GiveMeSpanakopita -I think everything goes out of the window when they show H&M the cash or become a platform for them to spout their crap

I only note it because the trauma response is not a respecter of geographical borders. That is to say, if Harry gets a PTSD response at the thought of the British media when he flies into Britain (as he told Oprah he does) then he would have the same trauma response on entering the CBS building.

Unless his PTSD is able to switch itself off when convenient to him, in which case he is a psychiatric miracle and he should be studied.

Perhaps he only went to CBS is order to serve them a court summons? After all, if he regards himself as a crusader against the UK media for alleged hacking in the 90s (as he told ITV) how much more must he feel himself a crusader against CBS for publishing pictures of his mother with catastrophic head injuries in 2004.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/08/2024 08:44

Given the severe trauma and PTSD Harry feels about how the media treated his mother, which he discussed at length on his Netflix documentary, I am slightly surprised he felt comfortable granting such an interview to CBS

TBH I genuinely didn't know CBS were the only US network to have broadcasted this, but given Harry's behaviour I'm not in the least surprised he sanctioned an interview with them/Oprah ... gotta grab those opportunities wherever they arise

And thanks for the clarification, Mymilkshake, but the same thing applies as above. So what if Harry's advocacy around drugs could harm other vulnerable people, just so long as he gets the attention and the money that comes with it

Flowerybeing · 09/08/2024 14:29

elprup · 08/08/2024 23:21

If Trump gets into the White House again, it sounds like he wouldn’t hold back on attempting to get Harry deported…!

Trump was the president when he entered the country, how come he allowed him in? America has bigger fish to fry than H&M, the UK also.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 09/08/2024 14:38

Flowerybeing · 09/08/2024 14:29

Trump was the president when he entered the country, how come he allowed him in? America has bigger fish to fry than H&M, the UK also.

That's what the Heritage Foundation case is seeking to establish. On what visa did he enter the country, and on what visa was he allowed to stay and work? He entered the US in 2020. Trump lost the election that year. It's very possible he entered and stayed initially under an unexpired diplomatic visa. But he shouldn't have been able to remain and work as a private citizen under that visa, and whatever decisions were made to allow him to stay were likely made under the Biden administration that was sworn in in January 2021.

guineapigmother · 09/08/2024 16:57

@GiveMeSpanakopita bit late but thank you for your measured posts on this thread. It's an uncomfortable topic and I'd never want to not believe someone, but having had some experience (not saying in what capacity) with the feelings Meghan claims to have had, the way it's been described by her and reported has always felt very off to me. I do believe she said it and perhaps thought she felt what she said (perhaps in a momentary rage).

shockthemonkey · 11/08/2024 09:52

Thank you for that link, thedom. How refreshing, a great actor who is not at all acting, and obviously very genuinely moved by his child's struggles.

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