New Meghan and Harry interview

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JAN MOIR: She gave Harry an icy stare any husband would know - watch what you're saying, mister!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13707697/JAN-MOIR-Harry-icy-stare-husband-watch-saying-mister.html

I think she wants to look like Julia Roberts, can’t see the resemblance myself…

@Likewhatever no women. vanishingly few, in public eye are ageing naturally altho’ see what you mean.

I think someone once told her that in profile she resembles Roberts. She is a very pretty woman (ho ho) in her own right, so no need for her to try to be someone she isn’t on the looks front.

That’s most of her problem. Inauthenticity. That’s why she keeps starting things and not finishing them. There’s no heart, originality or passion. Just the vision of the endgame and how she wants to jump straight to that, eg to be Gwyneth of Goop now and bypass the 16+ years of newsletters, exploratory products, being mocked but nevertheless ploughing on with a sense of humour; or to be Catherine now and bypass the hard yards of being the uninvited girlfriend, or the junior royal living in modest circumstances and doing the less than glamorous community work.

That’s why she latches onto already successful projects and attaches her name to them. Her fans who aren’t aware that orgs like Smart Works existed, and were celebrated, supported and thrived for years before her involvement, think she came along and initiated them. She didn’t. As a royal patron, she undoubtedly would have drawn attention to them and given them a welcome publicity boost. As a non royal, she has to put some actual work in for free with no strings, as the pay to play model of charity American celebs are familiar with through organisations like One World Vision just isn’t the model the UK uses.

I’m sure you’re right, but I saw her in a film recently and was very pleasantly surprised to see that her face looked etched with life’s experiences instead of smoothed with Botox!

@Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar you’ve practically nailed it right there. Is she ‘authentic’ about H or is he a vehicle, does she have a plan? What is she truly passionate about?

I am giving her benefit of doubt on true love & connection with H but time will tell & her actions,

That’s most of her problem. Inauthenticity. That’s why she keeps starting things and not finishing them. There’s no heart, originality or passion. Just the vision of the endgame and how she wants to jump straight to that, eg to be Gwyneth of Goop now and bypass the 16+ years of newsletters, exploratory products, being mocked but nevertheless ploughing on with a sense of humour; or to be Catherine now and bypass the hard yards of being the uninvited girlfriend, or the junior royal living in modest circumstances and doing the less than glamorous community work.

I don't fully agree with that. She got a decent part on a successful US soap opera (Suits) and, given the sheer outproportion of unsuccessful actors out there to those few who actually get some parts, she must've put some significant hard work and graft in to get that.

I do think though that they maybe overestimated how easy it would be to just get big stuff done and don't have the team in place to actually follow through with it.

I have a friend who wanted to set up a charity to support elderly men with a medical condition which is fairly common in older guys but rarely discussed. It was a fantastic idea and he had contacts et but he had no budget and didn't want to pay someone who actually knew how to administer a charity, his attitude was 'how hard can it be?'

Surprise surprise it ended badly. He did all th surface stuff perfectly, the launch, a basic website etc etc but actually getting the charity registered and setting up the books etc was totally beyond his wheelhouse.

That on a small scale is what I think is happening with H&M. For whatever reason - they simply cannot get the staff.

I just don't think she liked the interviewer much. The interviewer seemed to be taking the mick slightly. Or at least maybe less deferential than they are used to.

I agree that Meghan is not used to, and seems incapable of tolerating, any kind of probing questioning, or anyone who isn't just there to fawn. She expects to tell her version of things and have it accepted and swallowed whole - oh, and sympathy as well.

This was a new experience for her.

A very sensible and level-headed person (not a conspiracy theorist!!) I spoke to recently was quite sure that the children had been born to a surrogate - she thought this was now accepted as likely, and nothing unusual in the world Meghan inhabits. Although I'm not convinced of this (I don't know enough about it), she did make one good point: Meghan goes on and on and on about her personal experiences, but has talked or written very little about pregnancy or childbirth. Most first-time mothers (me included) are apt to behave as though they are the first women to ever be pregnant and give birth, so I agree that this comparative reticence is odd.

GivemeSpanakopita
I think Meghan looks like Julia Roberts with her new cheekbones! I thought she looked good tbh, liked the outfit too, the pantsuit is a great look for her.

Mmm - but did you not pick up any tired, angry, 'I'm done' vibes? I was just staggered at the lack of enthusiasm and animation she showed. She usually plays the adoring wife, but couldn't even look at H.

@GiveMeSpanakopita she has the kind of ruthless, yet admirable & single minded ambition needed to succeed. Many wave away the Suits role, it wasn’t insignificant & IMO she’s a good actress.

That was my impression, too. Harry also looks bored, disengaged and zoned out.

There was definitely some static between her and the interviewer, right? I wasn't imagining that? Meg looked like she wanted to kill her at one point.

Don't know what the interviewer was playing at tbh why would you extract the michael from an interviewee. But she definitely did.

@CoffeeCantata exactly on surrogate, I’ve sat with actresses in similar shows & they were surprisingly (I thought surprisingly & British contingent were looking mildly uncomfortable) open about intent to use surrogates in the future & whole world they inhabit as you say. H’s account of childbirth feels error strewn which doesn’t help. Apparently line of succession means a surrogate ‘can’t’ be used (?) Who knows but nothing would surprise me.

@GiveMeSpanakopita have you seen Jane Pauley interviewing Madonna in 80s? Someone posted link on board, very pointed & interesting questions. Did Meghan do homework on her? Possibly she thought she’d get an easier ride (?)

She got a decent part on a successful US soap opera.

Her co star, Patrick Adams, who she was friends with, lobbied for her to get that part, she auditioned and he said (in a joint interview with MM) that he pushed hard for her to get the part of his girlfriend.

@thedon getting someone to strongly advocate for you takes some skill & networking too. He obvs thought a good fit or he’d not have put self on line.

OK but she still wouldn't have got it had they not thought she was capable of doing a good job

I would be surprised if they had used a surrogate. I don’t know how they would have kept this completely secret and if it (as it does) had implications for the line of succession, I can’t imagine the late Queen would have turned a blind eye 🤷‍♀️

The thing that gave me pause about the pregnancy vs surrogate rumours was actually her reporting that she was actively suicidal at 6 mnths pregnant, because it's a complex topic which I know a little bit about.

Now active suicidality in pregnant women in the developed world, beyond the first trimester, is thankfully, VANISHINGLY rare. I mean, so rare that technically the numbers barely count as a valid statistic. I say developed world because it is more common in places like the DRC where mass rape is used as a weapon of war. But even then it's still surprisingly uncommon after the second trimester.

Where active suicidality is seen in the developed world in very pregnant women, the very few cases, have been women in prison, sex trafficked, severe addiction etc etc.

There's no settled medical theory as to why it's so rare, lots of papers get published. But all that to say that if Meg at 6 months pregnant was active suicidal ie hd a plan as she says, she would absolutely be admitted to hospitl. Like, that night. There'd have been a private ambulance waiting for her outside the royal albert hall. No way would she hav been able to just go home.

And she was also written out when he wanted to leave the show at the end of season 7. Her character had very little appeal for the producers as a protagonist in her own right.

@GiveMeSpanakopita . I agree getting a part in Suits took tenacity. But once again, she wanted to be much much more than the written out, 6th on the call sheet support actor on a virtually unknown cable show. She didn’t want to build up her acting career from that stepping stone. She pretty much abandoned that career at the end of Suits to go in search of a husband and a the philanthropist profile of a big name Hollywood actress. She wanted to go from that straight into a UN Ambassadorship a la Emma Watson, again without the hard yards(in Watson’s case, being a child actor and incredibly famous for many years and starting her advocacy work early and from the heart - she’s not someone I have much time for politically, but she’s clearly deeply invested in her beliefs). She didn’t get one because she was a virtual unknown. It’s the same pattern of behaviour over and over, and even now when she is one of the most famous people in the world and has money and connections at her fingertips to build something up from grassroots, do it slowly and properly and authentically, she’s not doing it. It’s straight in at the top every time.

@smilesy the Queen may not have known if so, the press thought she was giving birth at home & H was worried about announcing birth while at hospital. The Nandos whilst waiting & his description with all the paraphernalia sounds almost Margaret Attwood like, were both in fact waiting for a birth & killing time? They could def have been home an hour later then as he himself states. Also larking about with gas & air to while away time etc potentially. Seems unlikely but so does dog bowl gate plus.

Wow, Spanakopita, such an interesting insight there.

I had no idea, but it makes sense that nature would have it that women about to give birth do not end their lives - of course, nature would also ideally have it that nobody ended their life, but especially a pregnant woman.

If her team at the Portland had any idea at all about the suicidal thoughts, they would have intervened immediately and she would have been admitted to hospital and cared for. As @GiveMeSpanakopita says, it's extremely rare, so would have been immediately acted on.
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Just a reminder that the husband of the (minor aristocrat) doctor H&M claimed oversaw the birth at the Portland has denied she was there. Another detail that doesn’t add up.

Well yes, those of us who've been pregnant know exactly why we don't tend to get suicidal a couple of months from birth, but academic obstetricians are most men and so won't rest until there's a dry clinical explanation for it!!!

(Even in women with a history ot mental illness. I should've mentioned that.)