Harry Says His Fight Against Tabloids Is a 'Central Piece' of Rift with the Royal Family

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Is there anyone in the public eye more delusional and lacking in self-awareness than Harry?

The Duke of Sussex, 39, sat down for a new interview for ITV's documentary Tabloids on Trial, premiering on Thursday, July 25. In a preview released a day before the airing, Harry discussed his reasons for publicly pursuing lawsuits against publications over allegations of phone hacking and other unlawful acts — a contrast from his brother, Prince William, who reportedly quietly received a "very large sum of money" in a settlement from News Group Newspapers (NGN) in 2020 amid a claimed "secret agreement" with the royals.
ITV's Rebecca Barry asked Prince Harry in the clip, "To what extent do you think your determination to fight the tabloids destroyed the relationship with your family?"
"I think that's certainly a central piece to it," the Duke of Sussex replied. "That's a hard question to answer because anything I say about my family results in a torrent of abuse from the press."
"I've made it very clear that this is something that needs to be done. It would be nice if we did it as a family," he continued. "I believe that, again, from a service standpoint and when you're in a public role, that these are the things that we should be doing for the greater good. But I'm doing this for my reasons."

Wasn’t there some kerfuffle about Pippas wedding and Meghan only getting an invite the the evening reception (because Harry kicked up an fuss) and then Megs swapping names on the tables, so she could sit next to Harry (Posh people don’t sit next to their partners at these things)
Pippa couldn’t care less about helping out Harry

This sounds like a classic example of narcissistic triangulation… trying to manipulate by inferring links to the close personal relationships of someone she (Meghan) has already behaved in an abusive way towards (Catherine).

If this is true, Meghan must have a seriously personality problem - even worse than I thought.

It shouldn’t matter what your actual worth is in terms of your rank in line to the throne. If you are the son of the reigning monarch and brother of the future monarch, you should have certain provisions made for you so that you can live with some dignity and you are not treated like a distant cousin. You are closer in a familial sense than your rank indicates.

I can’t know for sure, but before the falling out happened, I think the essence of the problem was that Harry felt shunned by his father and brother. Harry obviously anticipated an additional title and/or some sort of Manor House when he was married as that is generally when those things are bestowed.

Harry didn’t have a Coronation coming up; his marriage was his one and only “big event” and change in status. He was very good at his charity work after all and anticipated doing that as his full time job when he left the army.

If you think about it, the Queen gave Anne Gatcombe Park, Andrew ended up with the Royal Lodge and Edward has Bagshott Park.

It was probably a bit of a bitter pill for Harry to swallow to have to show his new wife Frogmore cottage with 10 bedrooms, when his uncle Edward is living in Bagshott which has 120 bedrooms and is worth 45 million and with Andrew down the road in a 30 bedroom pile worth £30 million!

Most of us would be very pleased with a ten bedroom house but in a world where favours and titles are bestowed on you by your parents, and you don’t (at that point anyway) have the ability to earn your own income, I can imagine that these things really matter. Also, Harry didn’t have a mother to stand up for him remember.

Is it possible that Charles decided to show the world that he was “slimming down” the monarchy by putting Harry and Meghan in one of the smallest house on the Windsor estate and detract from the fact that he owns or has access to twelve properties himself, many of which are palatial with substantial lands attached? And he hasn’t as yet slimmed down his own property portfolio at all?

Edited to add: so when you say Harry is deluded and has an inflated sense of his own importance; I don’t think that’s quite right given he is the son of the current monarch and brother of the future king. He should at least have been given a home and status on a par with that and not treated like a distant cousin.

William and Catherine were still living in Nottingham Cottage after George was born!

The same cottage that Harry and Meghan considered beneath them.

William and Catherine then moved to an ordinary house in Anglesey for a few years…

Had Harry chosen to remain in this country, and worked in the same way Anne or Edward has worked, he’d likely have ended up with a larger property too. But these assets are held in the U.K. - it’s ludicrous to suggest they bankroll a similar lifestyle for him in a foreign country - he chose to leave and to earn his own living according to the exit statement.

Now he’s realised they lack the skills or appeal to support themselves he’s trying to manipulate them into supporting his lifestyle.

Literally, the cheek, the nerve, the gall, the audacity and the gumption - as Tayce would say.

😂

Harry was offered by Charles to an estate of his own but he declined. Meghan wasn’t interested and they believed this was designed to keep them out the way.

No such provisions were made for the Late Queen’s other children besides Charles in terms of security

With regards to housing, the Sussexes were offered an apartment equal in size to the Waleses in KP,after living in Nott Cottage which is also what the Waleses did when they first married. Instead, they seem to have wanted to have an apartment in Windsor Castle itself. No other family member actually lived in the Castle so it was deemed inappropriate. As they seemed to want to live on the Windsor estate itself, they were given frog cottage. I believe they were also offered a country estate along the lines of Anmer. Seems generous to me. The Waleses are now living in a relatively modest house in Windsor.

Harry and Meghan wanted to live in a castle but they weren’t allowed and so nothing was good enough. Bottom line

Does the almost 40 year old 'DC' - who has made a career out of slagging off his family in front of a global audience - have no responsibility in any of this?

If you think about it, the Queen gave Anne Gatcombe Park, Andrew ended up with the Royal Lodge and Edward has Bagshott Park.

The Queen was not Harry's parent. He was just one of many grandchildren.

Is it possible that Charles decided to show the world that he was “slimming down” the monarchy by putting Harry and Meghan in one of the smallest house on the Windsor estate and detract from the fact that he owns or has access to twelve properties himself, many of which are palatial with substantial lands attached? And he hasn’t as yet slimmed down his own property portfolio at all?

Eh?

Charles was not monarch when Harry and Meghan were assigned to Frogmore Cottage. It was the late Queen who gave them that property. Not Charles.

I expect that had they remained as working royals, Charles would have gifted them a grander property once he became King. But they found freedom.

Bit different for William with future sumptuous properties and wealth and top job guaranteed. It’s almost fun to “slum it” in your “little” house when newly married, if you know that your future wealth and position and status is guaranteed.

From Harry’s pov, when your position is much more precarious, with your income and status determined by your father and brother, you perhaps find it more difficult to be relaxed about it?

Don’t get me wrong, I think Harry acted too hastily, but I think potentially KC could have treated Harry with more sensitivity too.

I think there were faults on both sides.

Charles did not choose Frogmore cottage for Harry and Meghan. The late queen offered them numerous residences and they chose Frogmore. Harry was then a grandchild of the monarch. Not a child of the monarch as he is now. Anne, Andrew and Edward were children of the monarch. So you are incorrect on this point @Applecidervinegar641.

Of course Harry felt shunned. Proving my point entirely.

Harry is estranged from his family and no longer a working royal. He has made this choice for himself and his family so he is not entitled to anything. He certainly doesn’t act with dignity and his ostracised himself because of his behaviour. If he had made different choices then his financial circumstances as well as his security would be secure. He is just realising what he has given up. It is very probable that they would also have a different residence by now to reflect the additions to their family and Charles now being monarch.

I maintain and reiterate that Harry is deluded and has an inflated sense of self importance. He is like a spoiled child. His reaction to his seating allocation at the premiere of One Love and also the aviation awards were a perfect illustration of this!

He has security. When and as he needs it in this country, he just needs to give notice. The fact that this is not enough for him says everything. He wants tax payers money to constantly fund his security without giving anything back.

A few cross post points in my post, sorry! By the time I’d typed out my post, @smilesy and @IcedPurple had already made them. Thanks! 😁

I think KC (then PC) would have been very much involved in the decision.

It’s been widely reported since that the Queen was handing over power during that period, while Prince Philip was ill, and subsequently died. And with her being isolated with Covid restrictions.

I think most of the major decisions were handled by KC at that point and either, in the chaos of Covid and the handover, Harry was treated unfairly, or it was a deliberate strategy. Either way, I think these issues could have been easily annticipated and someone in the family or among advisors should have looked at Harry and his future and paid a bit more attention.

How is his situation 'precarious'?

He inherited millions from Diana. As the son of the King he was never going to want for anything. He would be able to live in luxury without lifting a finger all his life. Many people would love such a 'precarious' existence!

He wasn’t treated unfairly. The only way he and Meghan were treated differently were by giving her unprecedented invitations (eg to Christmas before they were married) and allowances, (allowing them to be married in a church when Meghan was a divorcee).

This happened a good year before the pandemic, so no.

And you saying 'I think' doesn't make it so. The Queen was the one who ultimately decided on all such matters.

There's only so much pandering to a spoiled brat with a chip on his shoulder the size of Buckingham Palace that you can or should do. "Treated unfairly"? Come on!

If Harry and Meghan had stuck around for more than 5 minutes they would have had the large London apartment (in fact they were offered it but declined), and very likely their own country estate to equal Bagshot etc. But they had to fleeeeeeeee, fleeeeeee for their lives . And tbh anyone who complains about Frogmore Cottage not being good enough needs a kick up the arse.

Kate and William seemed perfectly happy in Nottingham Cottage, their home in Wales, Adelaide Cottage. And Anmer, obvs, but Harry and Meghan would have ended up with similar.

Would all these extra treatment for Harry have stopped him writing and talking about his father and his father’s wife as that is clearly emotional blackmail. Maybe William’s to blame for not sharing the future crown or completely removing himself and children from the line of succession. I’d have more respect for Harry if he went no contact instead of producing relationship ending material and then complaining that they only want limited or no relationship with him.

It’s all relative though within the family isn’t it?

How would you like it if your income and accommodation and that of your sibling, was determined by your father and grandmother? It’s not at all an easy situation to be in because you feel beholden and powerless.

And when you are aware that your sibling’s status is going to sky rocket and he will be the one that determines your income in future - all just because of accident of birth - the situation is even worse. Especially if you don’t get on with them that well.

Add in the fact that your mother is dead and your step mother, who you may not particularly like either, has the ear of your father, it gets even more complicated.

I would call that situation pretty precarious within the context of the RF.

Harry obviously felt he didn’t really have someone on his side, batting for him in his camp, which he would have done had Diana been alive. I’m not surprised he left tbh.

Omg poor H and M were only given the smallest house on the Windsor estate? Where is my tiny violin? Ffs.

I do think so and I was stating my opinion.

These threads are full of speculation and
“I thinks” about H&M.

I was merely stating my pov which doesn’t happen to correspond with the majority.

Did you miss the bit where I said that most of us would be very happy to live in a 10 bedroom house?

I am talking about relative fairness within the context of the RF.

So you are saying that the Late Queen, who saw it as her duty to be the reigning monarch until the day she died, was giving up responsibility for her monarchy as long ago as 2018 when the Sussexes married? She may have been delegating some duties, but that was due to physical limitations. There was never any suggestion that she was not able to make decisions.

Also, you still seem to be ignoring the fact that the Sussexes were offered sizeable properties as outline in previous posts both by myself and others. And also as pp have said. Harry was a grandchild of the monarch at that time. He may well have moved up the property ladder as it were had he remained a working Royal. But he didn’t. So tough shit

That's because he's a raging fucking moron.

That’s all moot because they didn’t want a larger estate - they wanted to “carve out a progressive role” and “work towards financial self-sufficiency”. Remember? Perhaps they should stop moaning to the tabloids they claim to despise and get on with that self-sufficiency plan…

William lost his mother too? It really irritates me that people forget this. Probably because William doesn’t ever dine out on it.
I doubt very much that she would have approved of some of Harry’s behaviour, especially towards William.

I’ve posted this before but I’ll post it again. Thank goodness William was born first.
Princess Margaret was a loose cannon but at least a loyal and supportive one.

I’m not surprised Harry left, because he’s a petulant, spoiled man-child. The biggest mistake was that he was always over indulged because I think the family tried to over compensate for the loss of Diana, he was never held accountable and always had excuses made for him. Now he’s not getting his own way, he’s living one long tantrum.