Will he or won’t he win the battle against the Home Office?

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https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-given-green-light-to-appeal-high-court-ruling-over-police-protection-13148987

“Granting the appeal, Judge David Bean said he was persuaded "not without hesitation" that Harry's challenge has a real prospect of success.”

Damn it! I tried the charity shops, but clearly they were being swept up by hardcore SS!

Thanks, @Wakemeuuuup . It's such a shocking case, and I am so sorry for any Irish swimmers caught up in it, whether they were direct victims or not. I've been involved in competitive swimming for many years in different capacities, and it is utterly sickening what these men have got away with - it's made me very wary about coaches tbh. I so admire the brave, brave ladies who have come forward who were just kids at the time, and hopefully he will face justice one day (there have been moves to try to extradite him back to Ireland).

RAVEC have excellent intelligence sources and are very experienced in assessing threats. Harry is already part of a special arrangement whereby they assess his security needs on a visit by visit basis. The only thing he lacks is IPP status which he is not qualified for and which is an arrangement that the UK is part of not in charge of.

His paranoia is not a special circumstance.

I thought I was doing well getting mine for 99p in a local charity shop !
When DH and I were on holiday last year , I counted 7 copies in the hotel “ library “

his father being the head of state

Should this also apply to the Late Queen’s children, who are the siblings of the head of state? They only receive security when they are representing the monarch (with the obvious exception of Andrew). Harry no longer does this so why should he receive automatic security, when those who do still do this, don’t? His needs will be assessed on a case by case basis. Seems fair enough to me

'There are literally thousands of public figures - particularly women - who face far right and far right threats all the time.'

Indeed. Just took a few minutes to remember Jo Cox.

And the MP in Essex who was stabbed to death. In fact MPs seem more vulnerable than royals.

Please can a Supporter please answer whether they think all siblings of heirs should get full security when not working? And should all Princess Anne’s children, Andrew’s and Edward’s get full security, given that Harry was asking about security for his children?

You seem to be suggesting that you are more familiar with the security environment than the organisations whose job it is to be responsible for VIP security, and who do an excellent job of ensuring the safety of those in their purview.

Nobody wants anything to happen to the son of the King on their watch. That is why RAVEC have instituted special arrangements for Harry and his family, even though he does nothing for this country and does not even live here.

Also, Harry's security arrangements were always up for review. He has never been among that group whose security is guaranteed, regardless of risk assessments. Even in the unlikely event of Harry winning the appeal, RAVEC almost certainly will not change their decision. Justice Lane said just that in his judgement. It's an expensive farce.

Do the adult offspring of Heads of State automatically get paid security in any country? Do Biden's adult children have their own Secret Service detail?

Even in the unlikely event of Harry winning the appeal, RAVEC almost certainly will not change their decision. Justice Lane said just that in his judgement. It's an expensive farce

This is the point that the supporters miss. H has leave to appeal - that doesn't mean RAVEC are going to change their stance. All they'll do if the appeal is successful is say 'OK, we've reconsidered. Still no change from what we decided before.'

I just don't see how they could change it.

Harry has no official role in any country and is not in direct line to the throne. He also lives in California. He already has special security arrangements in recognition of the fact that he is a high profile member of the royal family. But he's not a Head of State or other high level dignitary, so he's not going to have specialist officers on standby in case he wants to hang out with his mates or promote his latest Netflix 'documentary'. This is just a massive waste of public money and resources, all for the wounded ego of an exiled prince.

People seem to want for Harry what they wouldn’t demand for other members of the royal family. In an age of social media and influencers preferential treatment would send the wrong message. That the children of an heir will be funded for the rest of their lives irrelevant of life choices. If Harry’s security hadn’t changed there would still be round the clock British Police living full time with Harry in whichever location he so chooses. Then he’ll fight that his children deserve the same so extra police as they become independent and to top it all off Meghan’s security as well. Who’s paying for these British police accommodation, family relocation, airfares to accompany worldwide. Then in a few years Charlotte and Louis can do exactly the same. Who in their right mind wouldn’t question the long term feasibility of emigrating if you had armed security.

Yes - adult children of the sitting President get secret service security - but that’s more to do with protecting a head of state’s decisions where the head of state has actual power.

You don’t want the person who has the nuclear codes to be blackmailed by someone who has kidnapped an adult child.

Harry being kidnapped or worse would hurt Charles on a personal level but couldn’t force Charles to do something that hurts the country because he doesn’t have that kind of political power.

Good point.

While he's not just anybody, Harry simply isn't important enough in the life of the nation to warrant round the clock security regardless of risk assessment. If you read the court documents, they say that security is allocated on the basis not only of risk assessments, but also on the perceived impact on national security of a successful attack.

Protective security is a scarce and expensive resource, and has to be allocated with care. I'm not sure he understands that however. It's all about him.

Harry can also be adequately protected by decent private security team in the UK, even without firearms, and he can also choose to make good choices to maximize his safety in addition to that security.

What he doesn’t need is the multiple car convoys with the option of being able to bypass regular traffic.

It has even more real world gravitas than that @LadyPenelopeForever. A fixated individual who wants to do harm has only to get it right once. Just once. Harry has asked for a fair and lawful application of RAVEC’s own rules. He needs assurances that he will get the same consideration as others in accordance with written policy. It’s the intelligence in the risk analysis he requires. Not as the papers keep pushing a demand for the paid security itself. Unfortunately, there has been too little importance placed upon the fact there are people in prison for threats against the Sussexes. When your are targeted by Neo-Nazis, who called for Archie to be put down and Harry killed then this is way beyond the threat level experienced by his cousins. Again, only one has to succeed. It’s access to the intelligence that is important and to ensure that RAVEC’s decision making process recognises the threat which is unique. You can dismiss the hate as much as you want but hate leads to actions by some. I hope Prince Harry gets access to the intelligence reports and threat assessments. I am personally not happy that RAVEC has a process with policies in writing yet came up with a “bespoke” process . In other words one that they made up specifically for Harry, to enable them to reject his request. Unbelievable! Harry is doing everything in his power to protect his family in an unprecedented climate created in no small part by savage media users. He will collect receipts too for posterity. He can say he tried. It was never about costing the taxpayer money for physical security. It was and is about the intelligence.

Exactly.

Actually, she won a case about owning the copyright. Nothing to do with privacy legislation.

That's why her lies to the court were irrelevant in terms of the court case. Though obviously relevant in making up your mind about her integrity in general.

Harry has plenty of taxpayer funded protection.
It's not the protection.
It's the principle that he wants to assert his importance.

RAVEC will make sure Harry’s safe from any credible threat if they hear about it through intelligence. What they will not do is share this with Harry’s security, which seems eminently sensible to me. Harry is not unsafe in this country. As the poster above said, he wants showy security and the media to be kept away. That’s not what special protection is for

I hope Prince Harry gets access to the intelligence reports and threat assessments.

There is no chance of that happening. Nor is it what the Judicial Review is concerned with.

Harry is doing everything in his power to protect his family in an unprecedented climate created in no small part by savage media users.

How? By moving away from the most secure estate in the land to a country where he has no job and no status? By leaving his children on the other side of the world while he goes on a jolly in a very dangerous country?

He will collect receipts too for posterity. He can say he tried. It was never about costing the taxpayer money for physical security. It was and is about the intelligence.

Are you his spokesperson? And are you happy for scarce taxpayer funded resources to be used for a rich expat to 'collect receipts'?

Because, as I've said above, even in the unlikely event RAVEC change their decision, he will never get access to intelligence. That's not how these things work.

I believe that the intelligence services do liase with elite security firms, though whether the Glock toting dudes Harry employs qualify as 'elite' is another question. Of course they won't share sensitive information with them, and under no circumstances would it be shared with Harry himself.

His security arrangements really are more than adequate for someone of his status, or lack thereof. This is all about ego.

So Harry went to live in a country with more racists and a high level of gun ownership?
Makes no sense.
It's nothing to do with "protection" and everything to do with asserting his status as a white prince.

She won £1. And was shown up to be a liar and actively colluding with Omid Scobie. The case hinged on an idiotic decision by the DM to print a large chunk of the letter rather than descriptively recount the contents in their own words. And also on a fairly dodgy decision to "protect" the identity of her 5 friends who were the flying monkeys in the matter. The letter was written to be printed in the press, as proven in the email exchanges between MM and Jason Knaufman - which hardly makes the letter or her character sincere. All in all a Pyrrhic victory, really.

Her lies were revealed. It keeps happening.