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IsoldeWagner · 12/06/2024 20:13

Oh you should read J.Moehringer's account @MrsDanversGlidesAgain . According to him, it was just as difficult to write as you suggest.

CoffeeCantata · 12/06/2024 20:16

Yes - the supposed friendship between Harry and the York princesses has always puzzled me. If he's written that about their dad, then how does that work in terms of their relationship?

I always thought that Beatrice and Eugenie kept in touch with Harry to wind up KC, as a way of getting back at him for demoting Prince Andrew. It does baffle me.

Viviennemary · 12/06/2024 21:07

He will probably win. Couldn't believe Meghan won that court case re privacy of that letter. So anything goes IMHO.

TheFirmBiscuit · 12/06/2024 21:35

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/06/2024 20:11

Do you remember that passage in Spare where Harry compared himself to Andrew to try to get lots of small violins playing?

Tell people you think you're being treated worse than an alleged sexual abuser but at least you haven't behaved that badly to get sympathy isn't exactly the gotcha he thinks it is. (And I notice he admits people had grievances against them - do you think he realises?)

I mean 'other people in the family have behaved worse and not been treated like this!' would have done. It still makes him sound like an entitled brat however he phrases it but the message would have been clear.

I hope the ghost writer's fee was substantial. How on earth he stood having his name on that is a mystery.

Harry's book was no 1 worldwide in 2023. Clutching Pearls by A.N Royalist came nowhere. Sorry.

Will he or won’t he win the battle against the Home Office?
IsoldeWagner · 12/06/2024 21:39

It sold very well because Prince Harry was prepared to be controversial, invasive of privacy and dish the dirt.
If Camilla did the same, she could rake it in.

smilesy · 12/06/2024 21:58

Harry's book was no 1 worldwide in 2023. Clutching Pearls by A.N Royalist came nowhere. Sorry.

Doesn’t mean it was a good book though. The vast majority read it because they thought they might get some salacious gossip. Not because it was a great literary work

IsoldeWagner · 12/06/2024 21:59

He needed a ghostwriter as well.

BasiliskStare · 12/06/2024 22:44

I think Harry would be well advised to remember "envy is the thief of joy " However much as young children his mother tried make them believe they were equal I just can't believe Harry Is so dim as to realise his brother will be the next King - and he ( deo volente ) won't. Does it never occur to him that his status and wealth and fame comes from being 2nd son of the King not , as a pp has said by being Captain Wales married to an actress - and a non working member of the RF ( by his choice ) . He & M could have had a fantastic job as a part of the RF but chose not to.

I just hope however much he is trying to rack up fees for his ICC thing - he doesn't get it and has to pay the lot. I am sure a lot of tax payers don't want to pay for his petulant law suits.

TheFirmBiscuit · 12/06/2024 23:01

Part 2 is the real juice if he really goes rogue. Folks would be best ignoring him in the same way you don't poke a hornet's nest. And his dad should spare a few mill because he is a) his son and b) to preserve the institution and he's loaded.

IsoldeWagner · 12/06/2024 23:08

Charles has given him £millions.
Although I don't know why Charles would pay Harry not to spit out his poison.
Harry is a proven liar. He can claim what he wants in part 2, will he gain any credibility at all? . Unlikely. Although the first one was unintentionally funny as well as fanciful, so it could be enjoyable.

ShamedBySiri · 13/06/2024 07:38

I'm not convinced Diana was at all effective in trying to treat the children equally.
I definitely remember her saying something along the lines that she had done her duty, produced an heir and a spare. She called Harry a spare. Obviously don't know if others also did, or who said it first or if he ever directly heard it said as a child. But she said it and talked about it publicly.
Her idea of treating them equally was probably dressing them in the same clothes. Which Harry has talked about hating.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/06/2024 07:49

Harry's book was no 1 worldwide in 2023. Clutching Pearls by A.N Royalist came nowhere. Sorry

No need to apologise to me. Start with the people who tried to tell you what decent writing was but failed.

The Da Vinci Code and Fifty Shades were very popular and sold well. All that goes to show is that some people will read any rubbish and that popularity is no index of quality.

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/06/2024 08:21

IsoldeWagner · 12/06/2024 20:00

Nobody ever suggested removing his security.
What's he on about?
I do wonder about that man and whether he ever pays attention.

Exactly. Until the taxpayer stopped funding his security there were constant demands for it to be withdrawn going back as far as the Airmiles Andy days, so before his legal troubles.

I don't think it's that Harry doesn't pay attention, I think it's his sense of entitlement which, ironically, very much reminds me of his uncle.

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/06/2024 08:23

TheFirmBiscuit · 12/06/2024 23:01

Part 2 is the real juice if he really goes rogue. Folks would be best ignoring him in the same way you don't poke a hornet's nest. And his dad should spare a few mill because he is a) his son and b) to preserve the institution and he's loaded.

Do you think he'll write a second book? I'm doubtful because I didn't get the impression that Meghan was on board with the first one and I don't think she'll see a second round as a great idea. I feel sorry for her and I hope she really loves him because it can't be easy being married to him.

MaturingCheeseball · 13/06/2024 09:04

If he perchance won his appeal, can there be an appeal against that? His appeal is for reconsideration by Ravec, I understand, so if they reach the same conclusion can he re-appeal? Confused

Mylovelygreendress · 13/06/2024 09:06

TheFirmBiscuit · 12/06/2024 23:01

Part 2 is the real juice if he really goes rogue. Folks would be best ignoring him in the same way you don't poke a hornet's nest. And his dad should spare a few mill because he is a) his son and b) to preserve the institution and he's loaded.

If I remember correctly, there is a 4 book deal . We have had Spare and The Bench so there should be 2 more . Maybe Meghan’s story ? That would be good fiction !

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/06/2024 09:23

MrsLeonFarrell · 13/06/2024 08:23

Do you think he'll write a second book? I'm doubtful because I didn't get the impression that Meghan was on board with the first one and I don't think she'll see a second round as a great idea. I feel sorry for her and I hope she really loves him because it can't be easy being married to him.

'Write' as in 'ramble on and on at a ghost writer who then has the unenviable task of knocking it into some sort of shape.' I can't see the writer for Spare putting himself through that again.

BlueParrotRedParrot · 13/06/2024 09:30

Wakemeuuuup · 12/06/2024 19:06

@BlueParrotRedParrot

I'm in shock that they're using the piece of crap the is George Gibney to help their case.

Surely he is someone you would not want your name associated with. Makes me feel sick

Just to be clear, there's no evidence to suggest Harry has done anything along the lines of what Gibney did. The cases are about freedom of information requests being made by thirds parties (a journalist, the Heritage Foundation) to the Department of Homeland Security about visa processing by government departments, not about the crimes per se of the applicants. The case is being cited as an analogous situation of whether the privacy of the individual (Gibney/Harry) outweighs the public interest. The salient commonality between Gibney and Harry is that both are alleged to have lied on their application forms to cover up declarable matters (criminal charges/drug use) that should have prevented their visas being granted; and/or that the DHS and possibly other official or quasi official bodies have intervened on their behalf to "cure" these problems in their applications, which would be a matter of public interest.

As with the Gibney case, the judge in the Harry case has been persuaded that there is enough public interest for the DHS to have to hand over Harry's application file to the judge so that the can assess what process was followed during the application. In the Gibney case, redacted documents were released under FOI after the judge had looked at his DHS file. The Heritage Foundation will be hoping the same thing happens in Harry's case, now the judge has the file of documents that had previously been unreleased by DHS.

It's a pretty clear cut case, imo. Either Harry is on an "A" visa for diplomats (meaning he represents the government he is suing and the head of state he is dishing dirt on) and has been breaching its terms by working; or he lied about drug use to get a regular visa; or someone in the DHS has intervened on his behalf to ensure he can stay (the sort of special dispensation that should be open to public scrutiny). And this is why I think his lawyers were trying to rush the RAVEC appeal into court in July - to press for IPP status and make the visa case go away.

BlueParrotRedParrot · 13/06/2024 09:33

TheFirmBiscuit · 12/06/2024 23:01

Part 2 is the real juice if he really goes rogue. Folks would be best ignoring him in the same way you don't poke a hornet's nest. And his dad should spare a few mill because he is a) his son and b) to preserve the institution and he's loaded.

So blackmail, then. Nice. What a nice man Harry is. A real role model for the young minds he seeks to protect.

Spare may have been a best seller, but that does not mean Penguin made a profit off it. And as it is the most dumped and most re-sold on the second hand market book of 2023, it's not looking good for a paperback version. I got a copy for a couple quid from a second hand bookseller. The postage cost more than the book.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 13/06/2024 09:34

It's a pretty clear cut case, imo. Either Harry is on an "A" visa for diplomats (meaning he represents the government he is suing and the head of state he is dishing dirt on) and has been breaching its terms by working

Not sure how he can argue that one with a straight face. Although I bet lawyers will try.

Wakemeuuuup · 13/06/2024 11:37

BlueParrotRedParrot · 13/06/2024 09:30

Just to be clear, there's no evidence to suggest Harry has done anything along the lines of what Gibney did. The cases are about freedom of information requests being made by thirds parties (a journalist, the Heritage Foundation) to the Department of Homeland Security about visa processing by government departments, not about the crimes per se of the applicants. The case is being cited as an analogous situation of whether the privacy of the individual (Gibney/Harry) outweighs the public interest. The salient commonality between Gibney and Harry is that both are alleged to have lied on their application forms to cover up declarable matters (criminal charges/drug use) that should have prevented their visas being granted; and/or that the DHS and possibly other official or quasi official bodies have intervened on their behalf to "cure" these problems in their applications, which would be a matter of public interest.

As with the Gibney case, the judge in the Harry case has been persuaded that there is enough public interest for the DHS to have to hand over Harry's application file to the judge so that the can assess what process was followed during the application. In the Gibney case, redacted documents were released under FOI after the judge had looked at his DHS file. The Heritage Foundation will be hoping the same thing happens in Harry's case, now the judge has the file of documents that had previously been unreleased by DHS.

It's a pretty clear cut case, imo. Either Harry is on an "A" visa for diplomats (meaning he represents the government he is suing and the head of state he is dishing dirt on) and has been breaching its terms by working; or he lied about drug use to get a regular visa; or someone in the DHS has intervened on his behalf to ensure he can stay (the sort of special dispensation that should be open to public scrutiny). And this is why I think his lawyers were trying to rush the RAVEC appeal into court in July - to press for IPP status and make the visa case go away.

@BlueParrotRedParrot

Don't worry. I wasn't even thinking, never mind suggesting, that PH had done something like that and I know you weren't either.

I think I just got a massive shock seeing that name. I'm Irish and grew up knowing a lot of swimmers around that time. I'm a useless swimmer unfortunately

MaturingCheeseball · 13/06/2024 11:44

@BlueParrotRedParrot £2 for Spare?! You woz ripped off! Mine was 75p in the hospice shop. Copies of Captain Tom’s book (also a “bestseller”) were 50p.

LadyPenelopeForever · 13/06/2024 12:35

Considering what happened to Harry’s mum, the ongoing threat by far-right extremists to Harry, Meghan and their family, his father being the head of state and that Prince Harry has the same inherited risk even after the false line in the sand of becoming a ‘non working royal’ was drawn he should have the security. I hope it is ruled that he and his family be included in the 'Other VIP Category’. This means that RAVEC will have to implement the risk analysis that the Prince had before.

AliceOlive · 13/06/2024 12:39

@LadyPenelopeForever What do you think happened to “Harry’s mum.”? Her title was Princess Diana, by the way.

BlueParrotRedParrot · 13/06/2024 12:51

LadyPenelopeForever · 13/06/2024 12:35

Considering what happened to Harry’s mum, the ongoing threat by far-right extremists to Harry, Meghan and their family, his father being the head of state and that Prince Harry has the same inherited risk even after the false line in the sand of becoming a ‘non working royal’ was drawn he should have the security. I hope it is ruled that he and his family be included in the 'Other VIP Category’. This means that RAVEC will have to implement the risk analysis that the Prince had before.

Harry's mum died because she was in a car with a drunk driver and not wearing a seatbelt. Paparazzo of the type that hounded her (and latterly Catherine) don't really exist these days - only the dial a pap type Backgrid operation that Meghan is so fond of engaging.

There are literally thousands of public figures - particularly women - who face far right and far right threats all the time. Harry and his family are far from unique. They just make more noise about it than most. He should not get preferential treatment over any other private citizen facing similar threats by virtue of his father's status. It was his choice to become a private citizen and leave the protection of he RF as a working royal. Why should he have special status over members of his own family and others UK citizens who are in similar threat positions through no fault of their own.