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IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2024 12:44

Good points, @BemusedAmerican , although I think that ship has sailed!

Tizzwazz · 08/06/2024 12:46

BemusedAmerican · 08/06/2024 12:43

@BlueParrotRedParrot The Trump administration let Harry into the US, not the Biden administration.

You have to admit that appointing a US defense lawyer whose main argument is that Spare is really fiction is not being helpful to Harry. Not to mention it's made the book something of a farce, and Harry not to be taken seriously.

I agree.

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BlueParrotRedParrot · 08/06/2024 13:11

BemusedAmerican · 08/06/2024 12:43

@BlueParrotRedParrot The Trump administration let Harry into the US, not the Biden administration.

You have to admit that appointing a US defense lawyer whose main argument is that Spare is really fiction is not being helpful to Harry. Not to mention it's made the book something of a farce, and Harry not to be taken seriously.

I know he entered the US under Trump. But it is the Biden administration that is bending over backwards to defend the FOI application into how he entered and, more importantly, how he stays in the country - since he may well have entered on an unexpired diplomatic visa which may have been perfectly ok at the time, but should now be on a visa for the ordinary, working citizen he now is, and thus subject to the same rules as all other ordinary citizens seeking to enter the US.

There may be good policy reasons for the US Attorney under Biden defending this so tenaciously, but their arguments and conduct seem to have moved beyond a public interest argument and into a more bespoke one to protect this particular individual from scrutiny. Harry has no direct involvement in the case. He is not a party to it. Which is why the US Defense attorney is not bothered about using the "Spare is fiction" argument, since the revelations inside it are the Heritage Foundation's way of claiming that Harry has waived any privacy argument that might be used to counter the FOI request. They have now moved on to "stigmatising" information being the reason not to comply with the FOI request.

Harry's quasi political activities with The Aspen Institute and the online mental health stuff he has been doing in conjunction with the Surgeon General flies in the face of a person on a UK diplomatic visa. Working, earning money with Penguin, Netflix, Better Up, Travalyst etc would also be illegal, I understand, under such a visa. Conversely, if he's applied for and been granted an ordinary Joe visa, his admitted drug use and potential criminal activity would have had to have been waived by the department. Which begs the question why he should get such a waiver and not other ordinary citizens who have been refused entry? Whilst he may have entered to the US in June 2020 during the last months of the Trump Administration, his working history and other activities in the US is very much under the Biden Administration.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2024 13:13

Interesting, @BlueParrotRedParrot . He's obviously got significant privilege.

TallerSally · 08/06/2024 19:33

Serenster · 08/06/2024 12:17

“Granting the appeal, Judge David Bean said he was persuaded "not without hesitation" that Harry's challenge has a real prospect of success.”

Also, as there’s been some confusion about this, the judge is not saying here that he thinks Harry has a strong case. He’s saying that, with some hesitation, that some of Harry’s case meets the threshold necessary to be granted permission to appeal (the test you need to meet being that you have a real prospect of success). A “real prospect of success here” means “one that is realistic rather than fanciful, and does not mean a greater than 50/50 chance of success”.

Harry argued that he had five grounds on which he could appeal. The judge rejected three and a half of these, and allowed an appeal on one and a half of them - as he said, not without hesitation.

But, Harry has permission to appeal. So he may be successful. It is more likely he won’t, but litigation can be a lottery!

as there’s been some confusion about this

I have to say I am quite perplexed as to why anyone thinks this.

It doesn't take a PhD in semantics to understand exactly what the judge is saying. OBVIOUSLY, the fact that he signals his hesitation means that the case is balanced. But he also states that he is persuaded that the case has a chance of success at appeal, and has allowed the appeal. He could have hesitated, and dismissed the appeal. But he didn't. He hesitated and allowed it.

I simply fail to understand how anyone can find this complicated.

Other than the most reactionary, perhaps.

IsoldeWagner · 08/06/2024 19:38

Thanks for explaining, @Serenster . It's interesting that the judge rejected 3 and a half of the 5.
Of course Harry will go ahead.
He probably doesn't understand his chances fully, but he may have a chance, as the judge has said. He's got plenty of money so I don't think he cares about the costs.
We shall see.

smilesy · 08/06/2024 19:45

TallerSally · 08/06/2024 19:33

as there’s been some confusion about this

I have to say I am quite perplexed as to why anyone thinks this.

It doesn't take a PhD in semantics to understand exactly what the judge is saying. OBVIOUSLY, the fact that he signals his hesitation means that the case is balanced. But he also states that he is persuaded that the case has a chance of success at appeal, and has allowed the appeal. He could have hesitated, and dismissed the appeal. But he didn't. He hesitated and allowed it.

I simply fail to understand how anyone can find this complicated.

Other than the most reactionary, perhaps.

But you seemed to indicate that you thought it was a foregone conclusion that he would win with your hilarity elsewhere 🤷‍♀️

Wazzitreallytediousagain · 08/06/2024 19:47

I wonder if Meghan wonders if she’ll ever have a happy contented husband or if she is stuck with one wallowing in bitterness.

It seems he is determined to be neck deep in the drama.

He could be neck deep in contentment.

Wazzitreallytediousagain · 08/06/2024 19:50

There is a difference between reactionary and objective.

TallerSally · 09/06/2024 07:50

smilesy · 08/06/2024 19:45

But you seemed to indicate that you thought it was a foregone conclusion that he would win with your hilarity elsewhere 🤷‍♀️

I’m surprised it’s still unclear to you that I did no such thing, and that YOU and the similarly minded are projecting.

Keep at it, it’s a super helpful way to identify those posting in bad faith!

sweetnessandlighter · 09/06/2024 07:53

Good grief. How much of our money is being wasted on this brat and his tantrums?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/06/2024 08:29

Keep at it, it’s a super helpful way to identify those posting in bad faith!

Funny.

What's 'bad faith'? other than 'thinks TallerSally posts a load of shite and says so'?

Wazzitreallytediousagain · 09/06/2024 08:45

Sometimes you can see that ‘super helpful’ works both ways…

smilesy · 09/06/2024 08:46

TallerSally · 09/06/2024 07:50

I’m surprised it’s still unclear to you that I did no such thing, and that YOU and the similarly minded are projecting.

Keep at it, it’s a super helpful way to identify those posting in bad faith!

😂

Vespanest · 09/06/2024 08:54

I can’t see how this ends for Harry, I understand the intentions but do not understand how this case brings them. He wanted the case expedited because of the influence the ruling has on other countries regarding his security. Surely even if he receives UK security on visits that does not automatically reinstate IPP no matter how much he wants it to.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/06/2024 08:54

I wonder what happens to those 'bad faith' posters once they've been identified? does the squad descend on them and they're forced to read (or even worse, listen to on repeat) Spare until they recant? and does that qualify as a cruel and unusual punishment?

TheFirmBiscuit · 09/06/2024 08:58

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Serenster · 09/06/2024 08:58

TallerSally · 09/06/2024 07:50

I’m surprised it’s still unclear to you that I did no such thing, and that YOU and the similarly minded are projecting.

Keep at it, it’s a super helpful way to identify those posting in bad faith!

Would genuinely be helpful to understand why you included the judge’s words “not without hesitation”, since they immediately undermined the point you were making?

Wazzitreallytediousagain · 09/06/2024 09:02

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/06/2024 08:54

I wonder what happens to those 'bad faith' posters once they've been identified? does the squad descend on them and they're forced to read (or even worse, listen to on repeat) Spare until they recant? and does that qualify as a cruel and unusual punishment?

I think they might have to learn to restring a necklace and also to show they can squeeze a tear out of their left eye.

On a yacht in a force 10 gale. With a full bladder.

Mylovelygreendress · 09/06/2024 09:04

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/06/2024 08:54

I wonder what happens to those 'bad faith' posters once they've been identified? does the squad descend on them and they're forced to read (or even worse, listen to on repeat) Spare until they recant? and does that qualify as a cruel and unusual punishment?

Oh God no ! Once was bad enough !

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/06/2024 09:06

Mylovelygreendress · 09/06/2024 09:04

Oh God no ! Once was bad enough !

I've listened to snippets on programmes about the royals and PH has this flat, staccato, emotionless voice that I couldn't get out of my head. And not in a good way.

Purplecatshopaholic · 09/06/2024 09:08

Since you ask, I hope he won’t and I hope he has to pay costs. Total farce. FO back to the States and leave us alone you privileged twat.

Mylovelygreendress · 09/06/2024 09:09

Purplecatshopaholic · 09/06/2024 09:08

Since you ask, I hope he won’t and I hope he has to pay costs. Total farce. FO back to the States and leave us alone you privileged twat.

His lawyers must be rubbing their hands in glee .

TERFCat · 09/06/2024 09:13

I feel bad for the kids in all this. They'll only be young once, yet their dad is spending his days arguing about matters that barely involve him from 30 years ago.

Harry has the opportunities to earn the money to pay for the security he needs. Maybe if he did that, he'd have something positive to focus his energy into too?

Mylovelygreendress · 09/06/2024 09:18

TERFCat · 09/06/2024 09:13

I feel bad for the kids in all this. They'll only be young once, yet their dad is spending his days arguing about matters that barely involve him from 30 years ago.

Harry has the opportunities to earn the money to pay for the security he needs. Maybe if he did that, he'd have something positive to focus his energy into too?

I am sure Harry can afford it but he has a sense of entitlement and can’t seem to understand that he walked away ( flounced off) so cannot expect the same security as William .
I am convinced the basic problem is his ongoing jealousy of his brother and I suspect that Meghan fuels that jealousy .