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Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 15:44

Starting with the porkie that Archie wasn’t gonna be titled. Anyone who understands the Letters Patent would know that as long as the Queen was alive this was never gonna happen. I said this when watching the Oprah interview and I’m pretty appalled they told such an easily provable lie.

Then Harry said that daddy cut his security off. Anyone who knows about RAVEC knows it is independent of the Royal Family and Charles couldn’t do this if he tried. Same with “Only titled people get security” / this was so easy to prove wrong.

And why are there 2 versions of the proposal story. Did they think we wouldn’t notice? Is one a Hollywood version for their American audience?

The same with the ‘how they met’ story - in their engagement interview they said it was a blind date, to Netflix they met on Instagram.

I also was puzzled at her saying she never wore bright colours and that royal women could never wear the same colour as the Queen. It’s just nonsense. See below pictures.

Why do they do this? My theory is that everything they do now is for an American audience who are used to the reality TV narrative of “Some scenes have been created for entertainment” style TV and just accept their narrative as partly fictional, as long as it’s entertaining?

Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?
Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?
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Catpuss66 · 29/05/2024 16:52

YaMuvva · 29/05/2024 15:10

A paparazzi chase in the UK?

Given the gentlemen’s agreement with British press I’d be surprised

This was in New York not the uk

MrsLeonFarrell · 29/05/2024 16:53

Abouttimeforanamechange · 29/05/2024 16:38

I think it is clear that some events are colour coordinated.

At Prince Philip's memorial service, the Queen and several other royal women were wearing a shade described as 'forest green'. Said to be Philip's favourite colour, and also a nod to his environmental interests.

I've always read that the Commonwealth Service guidance is to wear red, white or blue.

IsoldeWagner · 29/05/2024 16:53

Almost as if @CantDealwithChristmas .... they're not telling the truth!

flapjackfairy · 29/05/2024 16:53

Well Harry may have thrown them all under the bus with his talk of his war antics and kill number tbh. . Hardly sensible to provoke the taliban and make your family more of a target especially as he is supposedly so concerned about their security.

YaMuvva · 29/05/2024 16:54

Catpuss66 · 29/05/2024 16:52

This was in New York not the uk

Which makes it even more confusing that they claim British press are the worst

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IdoldeWagner · 29/05/2024 16:57

MrsLeonFarrell · 29/05/2024 16:53

I've always read that the Commonwealth Service guidance is to wear red, white or blue.

I think I read that in the Fuardian. Or maybe the Daily Fexpress.

milveycrohn · 29/05/2024 16:59

@CantDealwithChristmas
"The worst part of the book for me was when Harry makes fun of his old school matron for being elderly and having a spinal deformity and physical disability."

I totally agree. And here is another one;
I have not read the book, but am sure I heard some of the audible version (Harry reading), in which he described his father in law, Thomas Markle, who he has never met.... said his belly hanging over his trousers, etc which was said in a very disdainful way.
When he has never met T Markle, so it really felt offensive.

CantDealwithChristmas · 29/05/2024 17:02

milveycrohn · 29/05/2024 16:59

@CantDealwithChristmas
"The worst part of the book for me was when Harry makes fun of his old school matron for being elderly and having a spinal deformity and physical disability."

I totally agree. And here is another one;
I have not read the book, but am sure I heard some of the audible version (Harry reading), in which he described his father in law, Thomas Markle, who he has never met.... said his belly hanging over his trousers, etc which was said in a very disdainful way.
When he has never met T Markle, so it really felt offensive.

Yes, he did. He's talking about the man who worked incredibly hard and got himself into debt to put his beloved daughter through college, and even took her on film sets with him and introduced her to his contacts when she expressed an interest in a career in showbusiness.

But then, as I said, Harry seems to delight in making fun of and discriminating against people's immutable physical characteristics. Apart from when he's lambasting the British tabloids for their imagined slurs against his wife's immutable characteristics.

Tengreenbottles2 · 29/05/2024 17:02

FanofLeaves · 28/05/2024 16:38

Really? You think it’s believable that an infant can enunciate the three syllable word ‘crocodile’ which is pretty sophisticated pronunciation for very small children, especially the ‘cr’ which would come out as ‘cw’ for the vast majority. I have a very bright toddler who was an early talker myself but come on. I don’t count the first word as one that the parents know what the child is trying to say, I count it as a clear and obvious pronunciation that others could hear and understand too.

Yes I do think it was a lie, just a random boast probably, but I’m also going to remember this is Mumsnet so I’m waiting for someone to post that their child’s first word was ‘conservatory’ or ‘restaurant’ or something like that.

Was it ever claimed that he pronounced it perfectly? You "don't count" it as a first word if it's not properly pronounced, but a lot of people (most people, I would hazard a guess?) would accept a babyish pronunciation from a .. er.. baby.

I actually googled "what counts as a first word" when my baby started making clear efforts to say something, and literally all of the websites on the first page of google said that partial or mispronounced words do count.

I'm not trying to convince anyone as to what counts as a first word, IMO your view is just as valid, but I'm just saying that it's perfectly feasible that Archie's first word was something like "cwoc-eye", and H+M told people in complete good faith his first word was crocodile, without any intention to deceive.

Catpuss66 · 29/05/2024 17:02

YaMuvva · 29/05/2024 16:54

Which makes it even more confusing that they claim British press are the worst

The British press were found guilty of hacking not only his phone but that of William who accepted monetary payment from the UK press. They were probably included in the press pack when his mother was killed. Think at the time they were the worst & they were above the law.

Italianita · 29/05/2024 17:07

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IdoldeWagner · 29/05/2024 17:10

Catpuss66 · 29/05/2024 17:02

The British press were found guilty of hacking not only his phone but that of William who accepted monetary payment from the UK press. They were probably included in the press pack when his mother was killed. Think at the time they were the worst & they were above the law.

No. The "British press" were not. Did the BBC or C4 news? Did The Times, The Independent, The Guardian do any hacking? I think it's important not to fall into the trap of thinking that all sections of the UK press are the same.

IsoldeWagner · 29/05/2024 17:11

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Gawd, I'm certainly not envious of Meghan, married to that petulant man child. What a nightmare.

AnnieSF · 29/05/2024 17:15

IsoldeWagner · 29/05/2024 16:42

A very odd episode from "Spare" was when Harry recounts finding Meghan kneeling on Diana's grave, clutching the headstone and asking for guidance. I find that to be most concerning behaviour.

Loopy!

AnnieSF · 29/05/2024 17:24

Soulla · 29/05/2024 16:06

The Fab Four panel is a great example. Meghan couldn't answer the interviewer's question about what she claimed to have been 'working on behind the scenes' and floundered. She then came out with ' women don't need to find a voice they have a voice they need to know how to use it' (I'm paraphrasing slightly)
This is actually a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Yet another example of an unattributed quote that Meghan passes off as her own inestimable wisdom. Pretty much every public speech contains at least one plagiarised quote, it's a great game figuring out where they originate from.

This interview is embarrassing! It's just a bunch of word salad by Meghan. Harry looks embarrassed. Meghan smirks after the Catherine talks. Meghan thinks so highly of herself - that the RF have been sitting waiting for HER to arrive, to bring ideas. She really is obnoxious and deluded.

Blueroses99 · 29/05/2024 17:24

Catpuss66 · 29/05/2024 17:02

The British press were found guilty of hacking not only his phone but that of William who accepted monetary payment from the UK press. They were probably included in the press pack when his mother was killed. Think at the time they were the worst & they were above the law.

William settled out of court and instigated the Leveson inquiry which closed a major newspaper and changed the behaviour of the press.

Harry took “monetary payment from the UK press” as well by the way. But after starting a court case and bringing lots of personal information into the public domain, he eventually settled.

Catpuss66 · 29/05/2024 17:28

JudgeJ · 29/05/2024 16:01

And I think that Diana's fascination with other men, including Household Cavalry, also had an impact!
They should never have married, he shouldn't have been pushed by his family and her family should have seen that it was a potential disaster to allow a smitten teenager to marry him but these things happened. How long will it be dragged out for?

think this is really unfair, Diana for a start cannot defend herself. She was a young 19yr old & she married Charles hoping for love. He was older & the queens son & heir. That already put her at disadvantage in relation who was the more powerful person in that relationship. They wouldn’t allow her to divorce she did find comfort & companionship within other relationships. There was a PA to Diana think on tv last week & said even relevant of todays royal family no ever said no to senior members. I think that was rather telling.

Sleepydoor · 29/05/2024 17:28

CoffeeCantata · 28/05/2024 16:11

And why are there 2 versions of the proposal story. Did they think we wouldn’t notice? Is one a Hollywood version for their American audience?

I think this is a big part of it. They are aiming largely at an American audience who don't always have a detailed knowledge of UK history, culture and traditions. They can get away with a lot that way!

If you have a strong enough stomach, have a look on that sewer-pipe site known as Celebitchy. The rubbish spouted on there by the mostly American posters is eye-watering. A lot of their opinions are based on a misunderstanding of British customs. It's very much a Sussex Squad hang-out, and the cultish adoration of H & M and the vicious hatred of the RF (and the British nation) is quite staggering. I think to a large extent they've given up on the UK.

Celebitchy is an unhinged echo chamber ruled by a woman who calls herself "Kaiser" and is obsessed with the BRF, Harry and Meghan. Any comments that try to explain how the BRF really works, criticize Harry or Meghan or defend other members of the royal family are deleted, or never make it through moderation. There is a whole subreddit of hundreds of people who have been banned from the site. It's not representative of North Americans; just a looney fringe group.

LutonBeds · 29/05/2024 17:30

BlueJamSandwich · 28/05/2024 16:30

It's a fairly common last word.

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Gorgonemilezola · 29/05/2024 17:31

Catpuss66 · 29/05/2024 17:02

The British press were found guilty of hacking not only his phone but that of William who accepted monetary payment from the UK press. They were probably included in the press pack when his mother was killed. Think at the time they were the worst & they were above the law.

You say William accepted monetary payment from the UK press as if it was something to be ashamed of - the action was in the civil court where a financial payout is generally the outcome. It was rumoured at the time that William donated the settlement to charity.

The paps chasing the car Diana was in when she died were not British.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/07/paparazzi

The press pack that chased Diana

Initially questioned on suspicion of gross negligence, the photographers who pursued Diana and Dodi on the night of their deaths were later fined €1 each for invasion of privacy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/07/paparazzi

AliceOlive · 29/05/2024 17:32

Gorgonemilezola · 29/05/2024 17:31

You say William accepted monetary payment from the UK press as if it was something to be ashamed of - the action was in the civil court where a financial payout is generally the outcome. It was rumoured at the time that William donated the settlement to charity.

The paps chasing the car Diana was in when she died were not British.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2008/apr/07/paparazzi

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Thank you. That was a really shitty thing to suggest.

Italianita · 29/05/2024 17:39

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milveycrohn · 29/05/2024 17:39

@Gorgonemilezola
"The paps chasing the car Diana was in when she died were not British."
She died in Paris, and i think they were all French and Italian.
Note also, it was French paparazzi that took long lens pics of Catherine when sun bathing topless somewhere private.

IsoldeWagner · 29/05/2024 17:40

Sleepydoor · 29/05/2024 17:28

Celebitchy is an unhinged echo chamber ruled by a woman who calls herself "Kaiser" and is obsessed with the BRF, Harry and Meghan. Any comments that try to explain how the BRF really works, criticize Harry or Meghan or defend other members of the royal family are deleted, or never make it through moderation. There is a whole subreddit of hundreds of people who have been banned from the site. It's not representative of North Americans; just a looney fringe group.

Oh goodness, Kaiser! Someone posted something of theirs about Kate on this board not long ago
I won't repeat it, but it was absolutely vile and very offensive (fortunately deleted).

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 29/05/2024 17:40

ThereAreNoSloesOnThere · 29/05/2024 15:33

Yeah me too. It was just .... grotesquely unpleasant. Among a sea of other unpleasant things as well, granted.

I recall when that little story nugget was being reported in the papers. My 78 year old father had tears in his eyes just listening to the reports recounting it. He was the HT for a special school and has scoliosis himself. He was just so astonished that anyone could be so gratuitously, gleefully nasty- okay Harry was a kid then - whatever. But to recount that 25 years later as a privileged adult from the most privileged family in the world like it was something funny. I'll never forget seeing the hurt, the anger, the disgust in my father's eyes.

I'd been willing to give H the benefit of the doubt before that. I thought he was traumatised and emotionally undeveloped but that revealed who he truly is inside, to my mind. And yes, Harry is keen to hark back to his mother blah blah. I don't think for a second Diana would ever have made fun of a disabled woman.

You’d think really as Diana was his mother the last thing he’d do especially as an adult would be to make fun of a disabled person that way.

I’ve done a few unpleasant things in my time but making fun of disabled people isn’t one of them.

Did Meghan comment on the above?

So many things to pick apart in relation to them both it’s hard to focus on one. I like others just wish they’d be honest and tell the bloody truth rather than blatant lies or white lies.

They must be seething now Kate has stolen their thunder with cancer and they can’t comment on that (apart from get well soon).

The interview with the Fab Four, my god does she have verbal diarrhoea or what? See how Meghan speaks in comparison to Kate. And Meghan is/was an actress.

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