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The royal family

Harry’s litigation

455 replies

smilesy · 21/05/2024 14:15

Harry has been mostly denied permission to increase the scope of his case against NGN. The judge has, quite rightly, allowed him to include new allegations of phone tapping and other accusations against private investigators and journalists. What he has not allowed is Harry to extend the timeline to include allegations around Diana or Meghan when she was his girlfriend. The judge also made disparaging remarks about Harry’s lawyers adding more and more detail, and going for “trophy targets”

Is Harry losing sight of what legal action should be for and becoming vexatious?

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smilesy · 21/05/2024 14:16

Oops meant to add this from the BBCloses bid to include Murdoch in hacking claim www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggk2erkkvo See here

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Vespanest · 21/05/2024 15:27

It’s going to take me time to process, the Princess Diana part.

MrsLeonFarrell · 21/05/2024 15:35

I find it difficult to work out what he is doing with this. I'm confused by all the court cases but why would he want to add in Diana stuff? It comes across in the article as him trying to get revenge for anything that has ever been written about him or anyone near him.

CoatesCat · 21/05/2024 15:39

I wish the judge had allowed them to include specific allegations against Murdoch. Its clear that NGN is rotten to the core and Murdoch is the source of that

EdgarsTale · 21/05/2024 15:40

Harry is mentally unwell. He really needs the right kind of support around him, which he doesn’t currently have sadly. I think it will all end tragically.

Vespanest · 21/05/2024 15:47

CoatesCat · 21/05/2024 15:39

I wish the judge had allowed them to include specific allegations against Murdoch. Its clear that NGN is rotten to the core and Murdoch is the source of that

Agree but you need to bring the case against Murdoch, not a fishing exercise

Sunnyandsilly · 21/05/2024 15:50

I think as he’s had limited success here he is now piling everything on in the hope of a major win. He is an unmitigated twat of rhe highest order.

Vespanest · 21/05/2024 15:56

In the ideal world this would be a criminal case, with consequences for wrong doing. Harry wants justice and the courts just want to settle the dispute. I dread to think what is cost financial and mentally will be after he’s finished.

IcedPurple · 21/05/2024 16:04

CoatesCat · 21/05/2024 15:39

I wish the judge had allowed them to include specific allegations against Murdoch. Its clear that NGN is rotten to the core and Murdoch is the source of that

Which part of the judgement do you think is legally unsound?

Simply being 'rotten' isn't grounds for legal action.

MrsFinkelstein · 21/05/2024 17:58

Vespanest · 21/05/2024 15:56

In the ideal world this would be a criminal case, with consequences for wrong doing. Harry wants justice and the courts just want to settle the dispute. I dread to think what is cost financial and mentally will be after he’s finished.

I agree with this.

Harry is never going to get the outcome he wants from this.

I don't understand why Diana was brought into it?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 21/05/2024 18:25

I don't understand why Diana was brought into it?

Throw everything at it in the hope that something will stick and he gets the resolution he wants. His lawyers must be rubbing their hands. More court, more fees....

smilesy · 21/05/2024 18:32

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 21/05/2024 18:25

I don't understand why Diana was brought into it?

Throw everything at it in the hope that something will stick and he gets the resolution he wants. His lawyers must be rubbing their hands. More court, more fees....

Or he genuinely wants to punish the press somehow for what happened to Diana (which obviously isn't going to happen). I think he risks losing any credibility he had if he carries on trying to throw the kitchen sink at these lawsuits. He seems to think that righteous indignation is enough to bring a case against someone 🤷‍♀️

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 21/05/2024 18:37

He also seems to think that 'because I say so' is evidence.

MrsFinkelstein · 21/05/2024 19:44

"Prince Harry turned down an invite from his father to stay at a royal residence earlier this month because of security fears, the Telegraph understands. If he loses his High Court appeal later this year, it's hard to see how this stalemate will be resolved".

“The Duke remains devastated about the withdrawal of his right to automatic police protection, which has become one of the biggest barriers to reconciliation with his father.”

The Duke sounds petulant and somewhat delusional frankly.

How can he say the protection at the King's Royal residence is inadequate? IMO he wanted Camilla not to be present and wanted to be able to film. And was told No to both.

twitter.com/victoria_ward/status/1792964034263744578?t=RxhJwmVhcLm5wMF6ND3Hgg&s=19

elessar · 21/05/2024 19:57

MrsFinkelstein · 21/05/2024 19:44

"Prince Harry turned down an invite from his father to stay at a royal residence earlier this month because of security fears, the Telegraph understands. If he loses his High Court appeal later this year, it's hard to see how this stalemate will be resolved".

“The Duke remains devastated about the withdrawal of his right to automatic police protection, which has become one of the biggest barriers to reconciliation with his father.”

The Duke sounds petulant and somewhat delusional frankly.

How can he say the protection at the King's Royal residence is inadequate? IMO he wanted Camilla not to be present and wanted to be able to film. And was told No to both.

twitter.com/victoria_ward/status/1792964034263744578?t=RxhJwmVhcLm5wMF6ND3Hgg&s=19

Petulant and delusional sound about right! It's frankly ridiculous that he's trying to link the security issue to seeing his father, particularly when he's turning down offers to stay in royal residences (which will be far more secure and better protected than a hotel) and jetting off to places like Nigeria without a care in the world.

Does he believe his own lies I wonder? Does he really expect other people not to see right through it?

CathyorClaire · 21/05/2024 20:14

I don't think the BBC link is working but regardless just thinking about Harold's numerous court cases give me a headache.

Dread to think what effect it has on him but I can't help wondering if the lack of freakish attention to detail in keeping Archewell documents on track is an indication.

Serenster · 21/05/2024 20:31

“The Duke remains devastated about the withdrawal of his right to automatic police protection, which has become one of the biggest barriers to reconciliation with his father.”

Harry’s judicial review against the Home Office revealed that he never had a right to automatic police protection. It was always at the discretion of RAVEC. Victoria Ward falling down on her fact-checking there.

elessar · 21/05/2024 20:40

I assumed that was a quote from Harry or a spokesperson rather than a statement from the journalist? Although I can't see the original article to check against

AuroraCake · 21/05/2024 22:46

I would guess she is quoting whichever of Harry’s team talked to her. As Ravec would say: Recollections May Vary. Harry would have lost his protection as time went on anyway. None of the Kings siblings have protection outside of when they are working and obviously living on royal property.

Wickedlywearynamechanged · 21/05/2024 23:07

But the duke was granted permission to alter his case to include allegations the papers had tapped his landline phones, and to make further accusations against journalists and private investigators.

I had thought it was already decided that we would be seeing Rupert Murdoch as a witness. What a shame.

But the sentence from the BBC report (that I’ve bolded above) seems to indicate Harry’s lawyers have been able to expand the case in other ways.

Wickedlywearynamechanged · 21/05/2024 23:52

Not to worry, we’ll be seeing Murdoch’s son James, and Rebecca Brooks.

Guardian Harry, Dame Lawrence etc., case against NGN

“Mr Justice Fancourt ruled that some of the requested amendments could be made, including a number relating to allegations that senior executives at NGN lied to the Leveson inquiry and concealed and destroyed evidence. Harry was allowed to make some changes to his individual case but could not introduce new allegations from 1994, 1995 and 2016 or new allegations of phone hacking”

”In the March hearing, Harry and other claimants sought to point the finger of blame directly at Murdoch, arguing that the 93-year-old billionaire had “turned a blind eye” to an extensive cover-up of wrongdoing at his newspapers and overseen a “culture of impunity” at NGN, which was also the publisher of the now defunct News of the World.

At a hearing at the high court in London on Tuesday, Fancourt ruled that the individual allegations against Murdoch and some other senior executives should not be examined in the trial, as there were “already allegations pleaded against Rebekah Brooks and James Murdoch, who are his trusted lieutenants”.

Fancourt said: “Tempting though it no doubt is for the claimants’ team to attempt to inculpate the man at the very top, doing so will add nothing to a finding that Ms Brooks and Mr James Murdoch or other senior executives knew and were involved, if that is proved to be the case.”

And so on.

There are 40 other claimants in this case.

Prince Harry fails in bid to name Rupert Murdoch in phone-hacking case

Judge rules individual allegations against Murdoch and some other executives should not be examined in trial

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/21/prince-harry-rupert-murdoch-sun-phone-hacking-case

smilesy · 22/05/2024 08:33

CathyorClaire · 21/05/2024 20:14

I don't think the BBC link is working but regardless just thinking about Harold's numerous court cases give me a headache.

Dread to think what effect it has on him but I can't help wondering if the lack of freakish attention to detail in keeping Archewell documents on track is an indication.

Sorry, @CathyorClaire , I really messed up that link. It does work if you click on the text, but here it is again just in case

Prince Harry

Prince Harry loses court bid to name Rupert Murdoch in hacking claim

But the Duke of Sussex was granted permission to alter his case to include further accusations against journalists and private investigators.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggk2erkkvo

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MaturingCheeseball · 22/05/2024 09:05

Well, Harry doesn’t have a lot to do so being a professional litigant and all-round Angry Man is something to occupy his time.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 22/05/2024 09:26

MaturingCheeseball · 22/05/2024 09:05

Well, Harry doesn’t have a lot to do so being a professional litigant and all-round Angry Man is something to occupy his time.

https://www.bindmans.com/knowledge-hub/blogs/vexatious-litigants/

Would be a bit of an irony if the son of the monarch in whose name the courts operate became banned from initiating legal action due to the number of his claims.

Harry just seems consumed with bitterness - against his family, against the press because of Diana, against pretty much everything in the UK. He's no advert for therapy.

Mylovelygreendress · 22/05/2024 09:42

MaturingCheeseball · 22/05/2024 09:05

Well, Harry doesn’t have a lot to do so being a professional litigant and all-round Angry Man is something to occupy his time.

I think Harry’s behaviour since flouncing off shows just how much he was protected by the Men in Suits and other members of the RF. How much his image was managed.