Harry’s litigation

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Harry has been mostly denied permission to increase the scope of his case against NGN. The judge has, quite rightly, allowed him to include new allegations of phone tapping and other accusations against private investigators and journalists. What he has not allowed is Harry to extend the timeline to include allegations around Diana or Meghan when she was his girlfriend. The judge also made disparaging remarks about Harry’s lawyers adding more and more detail, and going for “trophy targets”

Is Harry losing sight of what legal action should be for and becoming vexatious?

Hmm not sure she will find other men falling at her feet given the pretty grim reports that have been generated about her . Remember she is now a middle aged woman , still attractive but not the stunner she was 15-20 years ago.

What justice is he getting though? This is a civil case, not a criminal one. Settlements are reached out of court in many cases, with neither party admitting they are wrong. The court system is not there for point scoring, even if there does seem to be an obvious wrong doer. And why does he want to backdate things to include Diana? That definitely seems like he is trying to get some kind of personal vengeance even though there may be no case to answer and no evidence in relation to Diana

Wouldn't be surprised if she did a Jackie Kennedy.

@Viviennemary There are lots of very wealthy men in Nigeria.

She’s got two kids as well which would put a lot of men off. Complicated custody battles, unstable ex, issues with security. Anyone she got together with subsequently would have to live with constant security issues paid for by her ex too. Unless it was someone mega rich who was prepared to foot the bill.

Is the goal to make bank on the Diana stuff in a civil suit?

Exactly. The legal system does not exist to provide a forum for rich people to pursue their personal agendas.

There are about 40 other claimants in the NGN case according to the Guardian article I linked to in a pp. Are they all rich?

I don’t know, but they are not looking to expand their cases to include things which concern their mother from 30 years ago. That definitely sounds like a personal agenda

typo

Surely any compensation regarding Diana would have to be shared with William as she was - lest certain people forget - his mother too.

Some probably are, some probably are not.

Are they all trying to bring in spurious details in pursuit of a personal agenda?

And they did just waste large amounts of taxpayers' money on a vanity judicial review case which pretty much got laughed out of court?

Harry can’t bring claims based on things done to his mother. She’s dead, and so the only proper party to bring a claim based on wrongs done to her is her estate, which will be long since wound up since she died more than 25 years ago. If he did try and make claims based on things done to her, the defence would be that Harry has no legal right to bring that claim, and he has suffered no loss (in the sense of a loss for which the court will award damages to compensate I mean).

Harry wasn’t the only one trying to extend the time frame back.

The wider group of about 40 other claimants were also refused permission to extend the period of alleged wrongdoing from 1994 to 2016; add an annexe of private investigators; include allegations that the Sun’s publisher did not “deal honestly” with the police and CPS when it was under investigation in the wake of the phone-hacking scandal; or include fresh allegations that the publisher targeted politicians for political and commercial gain.

However, Harry did have some success (as I read it)

Harry was given permission to make allegations against a number of additional journalists and private investigators and make allegations of tapping of landlines and landline voicemails

Harry wasn’t the only one trying to extend the time frame back.

No, but the other litigants were probably trying to link to alleged wrongdoing done to themselves, not their famous dead mother. And as Serenster says, that’s not up to Harry anyway

Agree about Diana smilsey. Or at least it did sound strange to me, certainly a long shot.

I forgot to add my question in my post. Were any of the other ‘about 40’ claimants successful in extending the time frame for their claims at all, I wonder?

There’s such s as long way to go yet in regard to this case, and I am hoping that NGN is held to account. There is the possibility that NGN will offer big settlements. I wonder if any of the claimants, including Harry will have deep enough pockets to risk not accepting settlement and then, if they win, have the judge award costs less than the settlement. I think this is why Hugh Grant said he accepted a settlement. He couldn’t afford to risk it.

It seems there was some success at expanding the case for the other claimants:

Prince Harry and other claimants said: "The claimants are pleased that the court has today granted them permission to amend their case in relation to a number of significant issues vigorously opposed by NGN.

"The expanded case will now be determined at trial in January 2025."

This is the problem though. If settlements are made out of court, it isn’t as part of any admission of “guilt”. To repeat what many have said, this is not a criminal case (unfortunate as that may be), so it isn’t really about justice in that sense. Which is why it looks like Harry is pursuing a personal grievance, and the courts are keen for claimants to settle out of court anyway

100% .. times running out of Murdock too. Vile creature.

It is this kind of thing that is keeping him in limbo and unhappy. He is squandering the best years of his and his children's lives pursuing these ends. He can never move on while doing all of this. It's a constant rehash of his " misery".

I wonder how present he is for his kids too. My guess is he’s a very bored man really. He’s just looking for stuff to fixate on because his life has no real purpose.

it Is a shame. If Harry feels that growing up in a gilded cage and the full media glare has ruined his life, I think that’s understandable. I think it’s laudable to support others such as Baroness Lawrence and Millie Dowler’s family in holding the press to account. Understandably there’s also a lot of complex feelings about what happened to Diana with relation to the press.

Ultimately he needs to accept some things are in the past, find a way to make peace/learn to live with it and move on with his life. I would have loved to see them both move forward as private citizens, if he had rejected all the trappings of being royal but was working hard at making an honest living, I think people would be much more sympathetic about their need for security. I’m sure Charles would have helped out with that if he hadn’t been so vindictive to his family (and perhaps he still does anyway).

The biggest frustration for me is that he understandably wants to reject and punish the media intrusion in his life, but then still expects to live like a prince, in a mansion, with people rolling out the red carpet wherever he goes, and doing a few appearances and charity work and think that is a sufficient amount of effort to justify his lifestyle, making money by selling the privacy of his family.

He doesn’t seem to be a republican at heart, just a royalist trying to build an alternative court for himself, which ultimately suggests that he and his wife really do think that they are something better than everyone else by nature of his status/birth and her marriage. I think that’s what makes so many people irritated by H&M.

@Sageyboots you're right, as a couple they are very royal indeed, just not official royalty.
They love the press, want it and court it at every opportunity. What they don't like is negative press, and they don't seem to understand why or how that happens in countries with free speech.

I’ve often wondered why they are the poster pair for republicans. H&M may have exiled themselves but they are wanting the royalty acknowledge by all and sundry.

I don’t think he is really thinking about holding the press to account on behalf of anyone else. He is only interested in his own grievances. I agree that people would be far more supportive of him if he actually got on and achieved something with his own hard graft. I’m not sure why anyone would think that Harry would ever have republican beliefs though. He and Meghan wanted the half in half out scenario initially don’t forget. They only “left” because they were told
that was not possible.
As for his relationship with the press, they originally said something about only collaborating with “young up and coming journalists” and not cooperating with the tabloids, which was not a “blanket ban “ on coverage. This seems to have translated to working with People magazine and trying to counter any negative press about themselves. I’m not sure it was ever about activism against the press, more about not liking what the press said about them, especially since they condemn lies told in the press, but are perfectly happy to ignore lies told about other people in their name
on social media. It all seems a bit selective to me

Link didn’t work. Try againHarry and Meghan tell tabloids: No more co-operation www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52349573 Here is their original letter about this