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Nigeria 3

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OneHeartySnail · 13/05/2024 15:50

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 16/05/2024 20:52

Just as useful as Kate Missington is to the people of Wales.

There seems to be no end to the vile nicknames the Sussex supporters can come up with for a cancer sufferer. Well done @Absentminded1 .

TheTallestSally · 16/05/2024 20:53

The edit function is useful to see what was actually written in the first place - just by pressing on the word ‘edited’

Your post was disgusting Absentminded1

Like so.

GlitchStitch · 16/05/2024 20:54

Obviously we do not know Meghan's tribal heritage as she hasn't chosen to share that information

She said she didn't know what tribe her ancestors were from when she talked about it on her podcast.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 16/05/2024 20:55

TheTallestSally · 16/05/2024 20:53

The edit function is useful to see what was actually written in the first place - just by pressing on the word ‘edited’

Your post was disgusting Absentminded1

Like so.

Edited

I didn't know you could do that! Every day is an education!

MummyJ12 · 16/05/2024 20:56

Anyone else get the feeling that we’re being watched by the squad?

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 16/05/2024 20:57

GlitchStitch · 16/05/2024 20:54

Obviously we do not know Meghan's tribal heritage as she hasn't chosen to share that information

She said she didn't know what tribe her ancestors were from when she talked about it on her podcast.

I know. At the time she said she had done the test a couple of years ago and would be looking into which tribe (in response to her guest asking her, who was of Nigerian heritage). I assume she's been able to make some headway into that discovery by now, even if she won't have definitive answers.

Babybreath · 16/05/2024 20:59

@MummyJ12 it would appear to be a possibility.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/05/2024 21:06

I cannot believe that Bouzy posted that tweet, he really is a foul human being, I honestly don’t know why the royal family have not called in the authorities for harassment and online hate speech, people have been arrested for less, though maybe the SS members are all US based and they cannot actually do anything?

Nunma · 16/05/2024 21:09

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 16/05/2024 20:13

I'm happy to defer to your superior knowledge on the matter. All I know is that people from tribes that make up what is currently called Nigeria were selling their fellow people into slavery both before and for a long time after the transatlantic slave trade that involved the British. And this practice went on until the 1940s, resulting in the descendants of those enslaved suffering today. The elite "Nigerian" populace always included slave traders and slave owners; and from what I have read, they remain gatekeepers to the Osu making progress. Obviously we do not know Meghan's tribal heritage as she hasn't chosen to share that information, and nobody knows under what circumstances her ancestors were sold into slavery and by whom. But I would posit that she ought to feel more solidarity with the Osu than she does to the elites she was hobnobbing with on her visit, simply because both she and they are the decendants of the enslaved.

The history is quite complicated - interesting and sad, but complicated. As you know, the country that makes up present day Nigeria is made of different ethnic groups and the remains of different empires (kind of like many modern European countries are). You are correct that there was slavery in those lands long before the transatlantic slave trade, just as there has been slavery in almost all human societies. The systems of ‘domestic’ slavery in the societies along the west african coast and the rules that governed this varied very much depending on the society that was practicing it - from debt bondage to hard labour as a form of criminal punishment to religious slavery to the plantation slavery that we are more familiar with. However, they were all very distinct from the transatlantic slave trade that was conducted with Europeans, which was slavery on an industrialised scale purely for economic reasons. All slavery is wrong, but arguably the industrialisation and racialisation of transatlantic slavery brought about its own unique form of dehumanisation. All slavery is evil and a crime against humanity. However, enslaved people in those societies were still part of society and had some civic rights. They were able to earn/buy their freedom in many cases inherit and have families, their owners had some duties towards them and there were some checks and balances against their abuse. This was not the case in transatlantic slavery, where the racialised system meant that enslaved people were seen as subhuman and treated as animals.
(I am not trying to justify slavery in those societies by the way. Like in the Inca and other mesoamerican civilisation, there is evidence of human sacrifice in religious ceremonies and some of those sacrificial victims would have been enslaved people. Like I said, slavery is evil and a crime against humanity.)

The reason I don’t think the Osu caste system is comparable in this situation is that although it is called slavery, it was more a system of ostracism. The Osu were people who were considered ‘slaves of the gods’ because they had forfeit their lives to the gods in exchange for avoiding worse fates like execution in some circumstances or even sale into transatlantic slavery, either due to taboos, or in some cases by descent (the descendant of an Osu inherited this status). This made them outcasts from ‘human society’ and meant they were marginalised and unable to relate with others. It was a cruel system but is more comparable to the system of ‘untouchables’ in the Hindu caste system than to the system of domestic slavery. If you wanted to look at systems of modern slavery, examples abound within modern Nigeria - the treatment of some domestic workers for example, including child slavery (which is illegal in Nigeria but still exists), forced labour of boys and girls, people trafficking and sexual slavery, the kidnappings of schoolchildren in the north and their enslavement by bandit groups with girls being forced into marriage and boys forced into violence and manual labour (the terrorist group Boko Haram being an example that many people are aware of globally)…there is a governmental response but a lot still needs to be done.

Coming back to your point about elites versus enslaved - I am sure you know that history has its own humour. British colonialism upended many traditional systems so a lot of the people who are elite today would have been the descendants of people who were enslaved, particularly in Lagos. This is because there were enslaved people who came back from the Americas (for example the Afro Brazilian population in Lagos and the Saro community in Lagos who are descendants of returnees who were liberated by the British navy during the time of the abolition of the slave trade and returned to Sierra Leone - which was founded by the British for the freed slaves - and made their way back home). Some of Nigeria’s founding fathers were descendants of such returnees. Herbert Macaulay is an example of this. Asides from this, the people who did well in the new colony were those who embraced western education and people who were marginalised in the old systems such as enslaved people were more likely to do this - to accept the new religion of Christianity, attend western schools and thus be placed to have better positions in the changing society. So while there will be people in the present day Nigerian elite descended from people who owned and traded in slaves, there will also be many in the elite who are descended from enslaved people.

CathyorClaire · 16/05/2024 21:14

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/05/2024 17:49

The pair of them are made of Teflon, they do seem to be completely untouchable, no matter what they do there is no comeback, it wouldn’t surprise me if they stormed the Palace grabbed the crown and sceptre and declared themselves King and Queen of the world and no one would bat an eye.

Entirely agree.

No pushback from Papa whatever outrages are committed.

What's the agenda?

Lifesabeachbaby · 16/05/2024 21:33

CathyorClaire · 16/05/2024 21:14

Entirely agree.

No pushback from Papa whatever outrages are committed.

What's the agenda?

I think this too. The Palace need to start playing hardball because M and H are raiding the sweet shop in plain sight and no one does anything about it. All this briefing from ‘friends’ needs to stop. Their titles need to go and they need to be completely frozen out .

Sageyboots · 16/05/2024 22:07

I think the RF are in a difficult position but on balance are treading a cautious but sensible path.

Any intentional escalation in animosity between the RF and H&M encourages a taking of sides (the SS are desperate to do this online but this is happening less in the real world). If H&M position themselves as the modern, anti-racist royals, particularly in commonwealth countries, any retaliation from the RF will support the racist royal/persecuted Sussexes narrative and undermine any good work the RF are trying to do.

Also with talk of hostile states meddling in royal affairs (especially bots on SM) aggro between the royals and Sussexes will play into their hands. I have a concern that becoming an irritant to the British establishment could increase H&Ms security risk generally but also make them vulnerable to harm at the hands of hostile states in order to frame Britain. (I know that sounds a bit tin foil hat, but there are still conspiracies swirling to this day about Diana’s tragic accident and H&M are already hyper focussed on such things).

I also think the Royals do know how troubled Harry is as a person and are trying to keep avenues to reconciliation open if trust can be rebuilt away from the cameras. and i imagine they genuinely do want chance to know their grand children/neice and nephew.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 16/05/2024 22:26

Apparently this is going to be the first of many ‘Royal tours’ and H&M are going to use the Nigeria tour as a blueprint for others so what country will be rolling out the red carpet next?

MummyJ12 · 16/05/2024 22:32

Surely Meghan can’t have any genealogy left to explore or go home to?
We’ve had Malta and Nigeria. It’s like an episode of Who do you think you are?

Ratsoffasinkingsauage · 16/05/2024 22:45

It is surely impossible that she doesn’t know her tribal heritage. The DNA test services all specify for regions of Africa and the levant because their are such distinctly historical different populations in those areas.

If you go on the 23 and Me Reddit you can see people’s results. All the ones with results from an African country specify tribal heritage.

She knows. She just doesn’t want to say.

AnnieSF · 16/05/2024 23:34

MummyJ12 · 16/05/2024 22:32

Surely Meghan can’t have any genealogy left to explore or go home to?
We’ve had Malta and Nigeria. It’s like an episode of Who do you think you are?

Or Who do you want to be? 😂

peanutbuttertoasty · 16/05/2024 23:47

‘Don’t you know who I am’ more like! 😅

Vespanest · 16/05/2024 23:48

malta was always as in born there rather than from there. I’m assuming that the Nigerian must be pretty accurate as there will be those on her mother side being able to make some cash by doing there own DNA checks, it’s not like people don’t sell their family out for money!

BemusedAmerican · 17/05/2024 01:37

Once again if they visit China, Russia, or Iran, Charles should strip their titles.

Ohpleeeease · 17/05/2024 06:38

MummyJ12 · 16/05/2024 20:52

I’m glad that you edited out that hateful post @Absentminded1
It saves MNHQ deleting it.

Edited the post and then deregistered according to MNHQ. I see another poster’s contributions have all been deleted too. 👀

Babybreath · 17/05/2024 06:42

There's some absolutely vile posts on TwiX , glad to see that people on there are calling them out though. I truly despair, these people are sick in the head.

Lifesabeachbaby · 17/05/2024 06:43

Sageyboots · 16/05/2024 22:07

I think the RF are in a difficult position but on balance are treading a cautious but sensible path.

Any intentional escalation in animosity between the RF and H&M encourages a taking of sides (the SS are desperate to do this online but this is happening less in the real world). If H&M position themselves as the modern, anti-racist royals, particularly in commonwealth countries, any retaliation from the RF will support the racist royal/persecuted Sussexes narrative and undermine any good work the RF are trying to do.

Also with talk of hostile states meddling in royal affairs (especially bots on SM) aggro between the royals and Sussexes will play into their hands. I have a concern that becoming an irritant to the British establishment could increase H&Ms security risk generally but also make them vulnerable to harm at the hands of hostile states in order to frame Britain. (I know that sounds a bit tin foil hat, but there are still conspiracies swirling to this day about Diana’s tragic accident and H&M are already hyper focussed on such things).

I also think the Royals do know how troubled Harry is as a person and are trying to keep avenues to reconciliation open if trust can be rebuilt away from the cameras. and i imagine they genuinely do want chance to know their grand children/neice and nephew.

I agree with most of this, but there really is no way to rebuild trust. It’s gone for ever. There is no indication that Harry is sorry for what’s he’s done. Every meeting or conversation will be relayed in interviews or filming for Netflix. He has no conception of loyalty . They know that now.

MyFunnyDuckDuck · 17/05/2024 07:41

TheTallestSally · 16/05/2024 20:53

The edit function is useful to see what was actually written in the first place - just by pressing on the word ‘edited’

Your post was disgusting Absentminded1

Like so.

Edited

I had no idea, thank you!

Feeling a bit Envy (not envy, in old fashioned MN) at the deleted posts, SS descending on MN, puerile nicknames for a sick woman, the coordinated and fanatic nature of SS. Feels all rather sinister and unsavoury. If the SS (!) is real and exists the way it appears, it basically casts Meghan and Harry as absolute villains. We love to blame Russians and Chinese. But Americans are very powerful, experienced and highly successful in colonising the modern world with their enterprising methods and undermining countries stealthily or not so stealthily. They definitely have the person power, people with experience and no scruples who get these jobs done. I suppose US based resources could competently manage something like SS. Maybe M&H have employed help with these underhanded 'PR' operations themselves? It all seems rather Dr Evil and Mini Me ish. Most odd.

MummyJ12 · 17/05/2024 07:47

Ohpleeeease · 17/05/2024 06:38

Edited the post and then deregistered according to MNHQ. I see another poster’s contributions have all been deleted too. 👀

Whoa!
Interesting.
This is what a lot of us are saying and have been saying since the flood of threads about Catherine. There are people coming onto the platform just to cause havoc and, funnily enough, they all seem pro M&H and anti royal. I was on a thread where we were pleading with @MNHQ to stop the hateful threads discussing Catherine’s illness. Those threads still stand, we didn’t even get a response from @MNHQ. Yet a few of us weren’t allowed to discuss the topic of the Sussex Squad on a second thread. A topic of discussion that is absolutely relevant at the moment as what has happened here perfectly illustrates. People are doing this as a full time job. It makes a mockery of MN. As do all of the name changes and spurious new posters.

Mylovelygreendress · 17/05/2024 08:09

Babybreath · 17/05/2024 06:42

There's some absolutely vile posts on TwiX , glad to see that people on there are calling them out though. I truly despair, these people are sick in the head.

I noticed some particularly awful posts insisting Catherine is dead etc etc I won’t post but they are truly hideous. One poster in particular seems to spend all day writing bile about an ill woman.

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