Is it true that there was a framed photo of Diana on the bedside table when Meghan gave birth ?

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To Archie? I have just read this for the first time as I didn't read Sparse and I found it hard to believe. Isn't that a bit weird? Can you imagine having a photo of your MIL to look at when giving birth ?

Maybe it brought comfort to him in a spiritual sense, who knows?

How much spiritual comfort does the man who is not labouring need? Especially when he is busy ordering Nando's and breathing in the gas and air?

@LakeTiticaca you would have a point but also note H tells us this didn’t come from him on the photograph, not his idea or suggestion.

This and other ‘channeling’ described in book therefore can be seen in a rather potentially worrying way.

@MsCheeryble because none of the ‘woo’ came from him, Sanskrit mixed mantras & ayurvedic doctors? But perhaps it’s as innocent as Hollywood meets Windsor? Although we do have evidence re: magical seals.

Kudos to M for allowing Nandos in. Nothing on the menu (?) & the failure in facilities too…(running out of gas).

If Harry and Meghan wanted a photo of her, what’s the issue? This thread just shows the level of spite and weirdness people show towards Harry and Meghan. This is a non issue, or it should be.

What was it Justine called posters commenting on mumsnet about Meghan? Deranged? She appears to have a point when reading some of the comments.

For me book went into ‘Misery’ movie territory and all ‘number one fan’ when M sourced the Queen Xmas tree decoration. Fair enough, their family tradition so does make sense in context. However, it makes both of them smile for some time but then mysteriously smashes to the ground, H tells us M says ‘don’t spray Gan Gan’ as Archie apparently thinks water spray will glue Gan Gan back together and more…

I'm not spiteful and weird about Harry and Meghan. But Harry and Meghan ARE spiteful and weird, aren't they?
Guff about the Royals sells papers and magazines, though less so now it's mostly online. And guff that makes us laugh/cringe is even more palatable. And Harry and Meghan seem determined to provide it for us.

@"How dominant she appears to be in their marriage and their decisions. It's fascinating.

I have no idea how dominant she is in their marriage. But obviously she is dominant in Harry's life. Of course she is.

Its all context.

Individually their actions are perfectly reasonable, in context with situation and other actions they don't add up to most people's definition of reasonable.

In Spare Harry gives the impression that the baby, his wife and their well-being are his be all and end all. That they are a spiritual family and thus want the right mood, candles, music, support at the birth. Diana's photo is a part of this. Which I don't think anyone would have a problem with. In the next moment he is boasting about being high on gas and air and sending out for a Nando's.

Totally about face for the mood they were creating. It's either all performance. Or poor Meghan had it all planed out and her irresponsible loutish husband ruined it. Why on earth would he then write about it in a book.

All this tales seem to be massive contradictions. 2+2 that add up to 5 with blurred vision. Always the Victim.

She sounds like Rasputin! 😅

I disagree Diana would living in the montecito compound by now.

They’re a funny couple aren’t they (both funny haha and funny peculiar).

I don’t know whether there was a photo of Diana there but I would believe there was one at the conception. It helps Harry get in the mood 😁

@WhenYouHearTheRain@LakeTiticaca It's all context isn't it? In and of itself labouring next to a photo of your dead MIL is only a little weird, but understandable for your husband's sake maybe...

But when you throw in everything else like Meghan channeling Diana's voice from the grave to Harry, praying to her photo and offering her photo the peed on pregnancy stick, locks of Diana's hair by the bed to bless them having sex, noting the scent of Mummy's lips cream on his willy (and yes he keeps using "Mummy" even in each sexual context!), it's more than a bit weird isn't it?

Harry worships Diana because he is vulnerable, but Meghan is setting herself up as having some kind of spiritual link with Diana in order to influence Harry. The whole thing is more than a little Freudian, sexually speaking.

It’s like a weird appropriation of Diana. She is speaking through me…. I am the new incarnation of Diana… fucking creepy. And then we have Lillibet as appropriation of the Queen. She needs help.

I know quite a few people who have done this.

I know many people who get a photo out of a loved one for Christmas and special occasions ‘so they can be a part of it’.

I have never lost a parent, child or sibling but I can imagine it’s one of the most difficult things in the world, especially during special occasions.

I would never judge anyone for how they choose to deal with the fact that their own parent will never get to meet their baby and vice versa.

Some of these replies are very nasty and I hope that they don’t have to go through a similar experience.

What a vile thing to say!

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11615399/amp/Prince-Harry-shares-intimate-details-births-children.html

'The Duke of Sussex added that the couple did a viral baby mama dance after settling in their hospital room.
The dance, which was made popular on TikTok, sees pregnant women and their partners gleefully rubbing their baby bumps while singing they've been 'pregnant for way too long.' '

It's like an episode of Brass Eye.

Well next time I’m dealing with my private parts (no todger though) and I think of a parent I’ll remember your wise words.

I think it's lovely to include a photo of a departed loved one at family occasions where the deceased person would have been present if they had not of died.

Yes there are a few mother in laws who have been in the birthing room whilst their daughter in law gives birth but it's not the norm.

There would be no Montecito and no Meghan. People sentimentalise Diana but she was shrewd. She would have intervened before Harry got too carried away.

Given by what we actually know of Diana's behaviour I think this is unlikely.

We know she always favoured William - sending Harry to the nursery on his own while she had supper with William in her room.

Though her playing the boys off of one another may have continued into their adulthood - who knows? She certainly blew hot and cold at times. She was a loving, but very troubled person.

She also frequently limited Charles' time with his sons, so there is a sense of deja vu to Harry's behaviour now.

Whats weird 🤔 about wanting photos of lost close family members and aswell ones photos being by the side of you whilst you give birth or just have done...

Thinking about i wish i could have done same thing myself,

Other cultures of the world and in byegone eras have marked the passing of loved ones in ways that honours and rembers death is a normal rite of passage in life
Obviously it's extremely traumatic experince for families members left behind,

Whats unhealthy and weird is Western world idea of pretending death doesn't exist

It's a taboo subject

Such as i didn't know my mother who adopted me was going to die relatively young

I thought she would get better and it was just a challenging phrase she would get over health wise in regards of terminal cancer as my father who adopted me,

Didn't want me to know as a teenager only 15 years of age,
How serious the situation

In hindsight i wish he had prepared me for the fact reality that she was never going to get better ever,

So it wasn't such a shock to the system like someone lobbing a hand grenade in our family home
the emotional and psychological impacts aspect of it,

I like the way other cultures of the world honour and respect their dead
Such as celebrating their lives Mexican festival of the dead ect..

Harry is a bit lost. He is clearly still emotionally stuck at the point he lost his mum. Not sure why Meghan has to get involved in that dynamic but I guess maybe she’s cottoned on to the fact that it’s still very much an unresolved thing for Harry - and I can’t actually criticise him for that, even if I wonder a bit about Meghan’s motives in it. I know he’s not the only kid to lose his mum etc - but then I’d be reluctant to be harsh on any of them.

I didn’t have particularly strong feelings about Diana. She had her strengths and her weaknesses like all of us. She could be kind but I also think she could be difficult. She was attractive but I didn’t find her the astonishing beauty she gets hailed as. Princess of Hearts and all that always seemed a bit OTT to be. But it’s pointless denying she was made into a phenomenon and mourned by a nation. Not many young boys have that kind of emotional energy surrounding the loss of their mum and I don’t doubt it affected him. Whenever I feel exasperated by their antics I do think of that little chap in a suit and that round white flower arrangement with the card addressed to “Mummy“ and something in me softens a little.

@cerisepanther73 does this change when it’s not H that wants or initiates it, so he says, & it’s only M’s never met MIL that’s seemingly enshrined? Not beloved maternal Granny etc? Genuine question, perhaps not.

There was Diana's hair at the conception, though. Harry said it himself.

I don't think people are mocking Harry's grief/childhood trauma/vulnerability which is obviously severe, but more condemning how Meghan encourages all these and literally claims to channel dead Diana's words as a medium.

@User14March

Ah i can see where you are coming from

It sounds like Meghan is like a psudeo therapist/ guru to her husband Harry
she encourages this a lot

Proberly she enjoys likes to be needed as it makes her feel emotionally wanted and validated too,
Sort of thing,

I 🤔 think she is like a mother figure to himself,
as he has got deep rooted unresolved issues understandable around the trauma of losing his mother and he has obviously very much his mother's son in her ways and character comes across to me,

interesting how we unconsciously and consciously chose our partners and relantships even friendships,
and similar unresolved traumas or issues hidden just under the surface,

she his wife is quite pushy strong figure

that interview she did in front of Oprah Winfrey and Meghan mentioned her mental health struggles to her,

It was weirdly like she was channelling her mother in law princess Diana spirit and her mental health struggles within the British Royal family,

i think Harry proberly needs a strong woman in his life or and strong emotionally intelligence people to surround him,

I wouldn't be susprised if it's a co dependency unhealthy dynamics type of relationship,