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MaturingCheeseball · 28/04/2024 18:32

Can this be true? That Harry and Meghan are off on a “royal” trip to Nigeria? What’s the game now? My head is spinning!

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NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 17:51

BemusedAmerican · 09/05/2024 14:07

That article is so full of factual inaccuracies I do not know what to say. Even basic ones like claiming Britain is not racist because the people elected Rishi Sunak. Rishi Sunak lost every election to be Prime Minister. He was only elected by Conservative Part members (not the public) when he was the only person standing.

So in summary Meghan and the children not travelling to the UK are going to destabilise the continent of Africa.

How you can praise such a politically illiterate article is beyond me.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 17:56

Rishi Sunak "lost every election to be Prime Minister"?
Do you know how politics works in the UK? The electorate don't vote for the PM. They vote for their Member of Parliament.
The Prime Minister is the leader of the party with the largest majority.

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 18:06

@IsoldeWagner have you read the article. The article claims Britain is not racist because the public voted for Rishi Sunak. Yes I know perfectly well how it works, and I say in my comment I posted how Rishi Sunak was elected.
Rishi Sunak though did not even stand in a general election as the Head of the Conservative Party.
The article you are all praising is inaccurate and politically illiterate.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 18:10

I am not "praising it" I haven't read it.
Read my post. You said that Rishi Sunak "lost every election to be Prime Minister". That is not correct, because there are no such things as "elections to become Prime Minister ".
Of course he was only elected by the party members - that's how it works!

MummyJ12 · 09/05/2024 18:12

The writers clearly know what they’re talking about and are well placed and also more than qualified to.
It just doesn’t fit some people’s narrative.

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MummyJ12 · 09/05/2024 18:14

A foreign policy expert being politically illiterate 😂😂😂

AliceOlive · 09/05/2024 18:40

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 17:51

That article is so full of factual inaccuracies I do not know what to say. Even basic ones like claiming Britain is not racist because the people elected Rishi Sunak. Rishi Sunak lost every election to be Prime Minister. He was only elected by Conservative Part members (not the public) when he was the only person standing.

So in summary Meghan and the children not travelling to the UK are going to destabilise the continent of Africa.

How you can praise such a politically illiterate article is beyond me.

Have you served 30 years and one day as a military intelligence officer?

CoffeeCantata · 09/05/2024 18:40

NoisySnail · Today 18:06

The article you are all praising is inaccurate and politically illiterate.

Can you be specific about the inaccuracies?

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 18:49

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 18:10

I am not "praising it" I haven't read it.
Read my post. You said that Rishi Sunak "lost every election to be Prime Minister". That is not correct, because there are no such things as "elections to become Prime Minister ".
Of course he was only elected by the party members - that's how it works!

Rishi Sunak did lose every election to be Prime Minister. I go on to talk about the election by Conservative party members. It is still an election.

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 18:50

@CoffeeCantata I have posted one very basic inaccuracy. There are others. Just read and google.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 18:52

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 18:49

Rishi Sunak did lose every election to be Prime Minister. I go on to talk about the election by Conservative party members. It is still an election.

No. It was to be leader of the party.
As they were the ruling party, he would assume the role of Prime Minister.
A Prime Minister is never elected by public vote in the UK system.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 18:54

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/how-is-a-prime-minister-appointed/
@NoisySnail you may find this informative.

Serenster · 09/05/2024 18:56

That article is so full of factual inaccuracies I do not know what to say.

Always amusing when someone starts a critique like that by then proceeding to misquote the source material.🤣

The article does not say that “Britain is not racist because the people elected Rishi Sunak” as you claim. He says “Just look at the people British voters put in power. Rishi Sunak, England’s prime minister, is of Punjabi Indian heritage, the son of Hindu parents who were born in East Africa.”

Britain operates as a representative democracy, in which MPs are elected by the people in their constituencies, and then each party chooses a leader from amount those elected MPs. You can’t be a a candidate for PM unless people have voted for you in the first place.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:01

Thank you, @Serenster .
Sunak was elected as an MP. I'm guessing there was a white candidate available to choose instead of him?
Some people don't seem to understand that you have to be an MP first, then the party can select you as leader!

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 19:01

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 18:52

No. It was to be leader of the party.
As they were the ruling party, he would assume the role of Prime Minister.
A Prime Minister is never elected by public vote in the UK system.

I KNOW a Prime Minister is not elected by the public. I have zero idea why you keep posting this since I keep saying this.
But you are being pedantic. The Conservative party members are the ones that vote as I have repeatedly said. Yes pedantically they vote for the Leader of the party, and if that party is in power that person becomes Prime Minister. Whereas I originally said the party members did not vote for Rishi Sunak to be Prime Minister when there was any other choice.
Are you happy now that I acknowledge your very pedantic point?

And no I am not posting all the other inaccuracies in the article. Life is too short to have discussion like this over every bloody point.

CoffeeCantata · 09/05/2024 19:06

NoisySnail · Today 18:50
@CoffeeCantata I have posted one very basic inaccuracy. There are others. Just read and google.

Google what, exactly?

You're the one claiming there are inaccuracies - some pointers would be helpful as to precisely which parts are inaccurate.

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 19:07

And now you are making things up. Virtually everyone knows you usually have to be an MP before you can be Prime Minister. Although legally it is not necessary, in practice it is.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:08

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 19:01

I KNOW a Prime Minister is not elected by the public. I have zero idea why you keep posting this since I keep saying this.
But you are being pedantic. The Conservative party members are the ones that vote as I have repeatedly said. Yes pedantically they vote for the Leader of the party, and if that party is in power that person becomes Prime Minister. Whereas I originally said the party members did not vote for Rishi Sunak to be Prime Minister when there was any other choice.
Are you happy now that I acknowledge your very pedantic point?

And no I am not posting all the other inaccuracies in the article. Life is too short to have discussion like this over every bloody point.

Because it appeared that you were struggling to understand. You kept writing the same things. I don't know if you're in the UK and thought you perhaps misunderstood.
My points are accurate.
Plus - the electorate of Sunak's constituency voted for him. Not a white candidate.
We have a very ethnically diverse cabinet.
People don't like to admit that because it doesn't fit in with a dated stereotype of the UK.

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:10

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 19:07

And now you are making things up. Virtually everyone knows you usually have to be an MP before you can be Prime Minister. Although legally it is not necessary, in practice it is.

So Sunak was chosen by his constituents.
Then his party.
He is now PM, and some people don't like to admit that the UK has become diverse.

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 19:10

@CoffeeCantata have you read the above straw manning in reaction to me pointing out the article was totally wrong when it talked about Rishi Sunak? It was a very glaring inaccuracy.
And yet so much straw manning. Life is too short to argue with people on the internet who are not interested in a proper discussion.
But if you honestly think this inaccurate article is a good one, then you have no understanding of politics.

Serenster · 09/05/2024 19:17

Sunak was elected as an MP. I'm guessing there was a white candidate available to choose instead of him?

Here’s the announcement of the results in his Yorkshire constituency in 2015 when he was first elected…

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Serenster · 09/05/2024 19:19

And yet so much straw manning.

You started it! 🤣

AnnieSF · 09/05/2024 19:21

I see the Nigerian visit starts tomorrow . 🍿

IsoldeWagner · 09/05/2024 19:26

I think there's a narrative that some people cling on to, including pp, namely:-
That Meghan didn't succeed in the UK because she's a person of colour. The fact that other poc succeed, and frequently do very well, is therefore something that they find hard to accept, because it means there's a problem with Meghan. They can't blame racism.
To the extent whereby they won't accept that the UK electorate freely choose people of colour to represent them.

NoisySnail · 09/05/2024 19:26

@Serenster you do know his election as MP is not relevant?
You do understand I was referring to how inaccurate the article was when it talked about his election as Prime Minister? It got basic facts totally wrong.

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