Calling her Kate Middleton seems so disrespectful

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In the midst of all this, I hope that anyone who reports on or speaks about the matter can refrain from calling her Kate Middleton. She is the Princess of Wales, and that's that.

Other than that, I sincerely pray that she and the family are offered privacy and respect that they themselves ask for, and deserve.

It's just a bit rude isn't it? Her name isn't Middleton anymore.

But who gives a crap what you think? Why do you feel your opinion is relevant to anyone other than yourself?

Whoa! Careful......

As they all keep changing/swapping names and titles it's probably just easier to call her Kate Middleton if you want people to understand who you mean. She's only had the title of princess for 18 months.

What the frik is wrong with calling her by her birth name!

I'm just calling anyone by their married title because I personal don't believe in inherited grandeur, be it titles, money or anything else.

Gah, sorry, I'm *not calling...

Isn't it? What is her name then?

Well, I don't give a crap what you think (or this example of it), that's certain.
Forums would not even exist without opinions. Even snarky ones like the epitome of pointlessness that you have just posted 😊

But I haven’t posted berating people for calling someone I don’t know a different name to the one I use. Because what I call KM is completely irrelevant too.

OP, I think you're getting "snarky [responses] that are the epitome of pointlessness" (debatable TBH), because you sounded so damned bossy from the start of the thread.

Can you really not hear how schoolmarmish you sounded in your OP?

"In the midst of all this, I hope that anyone who reports on or speaks about the matter can refrain from calling her Kate Middleton. She is the Princess of Wales, and that's that."

I can refer to her how I want. She is Kate. I don't really care if it offends those who are offended by the slightest thing...

I don't mind getting snarky responses.
Don't care, even.

Again - I meant the media - not the public 😶
The lack of solidarity and contrariness has slightly surprised me.
But I have been educated about SEO playing a part - so there's that.
I must have slipped into Instructor mode.
Heels down!!

(And yes, I am old-fashioned - it's not even really Heels Down so much anymore...)

Not offended at all.
Say what you like.

People

The media!!

I don’t believe for a second that you meant only the media. You said ANYONE THAT reports on it or SPEAKS ABOUT THE MATTER. And you posted it on mumsnet for anyone speaking about the matter to see. You should accept that not everyone respects titles or the royal family as an institution, although even when they don’t, I hope and think people will wish her well obviously, because she is a human.

What age bracket are you in OP? That is not a slight. My parents/PIL (all mid 80s) refer to their neighbours who they have known for 60+ years (and only ever known as adults) as Mrs X and Mr Y.

Then again they don’t use first names and you do so you’re not actually overly mannerly and polite either. Maybe you just don’t have a lot going on in your mind? Lucky you to have so few worries.

I don't really follow what you're getting at....
I am on first name terms with anyone I want to be, including neighbours.
I don't feel slighted. But I'm definitely not in my eighties.

Maybe YOU don't have a lot going on in your mind to give what I have said more than a passing thought.

OK, I meant officially; I should have been clearer.

But as this thread has morphed into what it has, I need to clarify again, that I did NOT mean to (attempt to -ha ha) control what the whole hoi polloi might be saying.

As if!

But believe what you like 😊

No tbf I agree the media is routinely disrespectful towards her (eg first I got to know of her even after she married Wills was Waitey Katey) in a way they wouldn't be to born royals – eg with nicknames (Crazy Harry? Where's his hairline Wills?)

However I feel you can't have it both ways. If you genuinely "look up to" the monarchy based on some notion of born class privilege and subscribe to all these titles, then it stands to reason those who married in only have a diluted version of that "birthright".

I'm not a monarchist btw, so I believe in neither titles nor derogatory nicknames...

I don’t think it’s disrespectful for the public to refer to her as Kate Middleton, assuming it isn’t intended as a slight. Many people don’t talk about her very often and that is the name she was known as when she came to prominence, so it seems natural enough. As a child I called the previous Princess of Wales ‘Lady Diana’ for years after she was married and then later as ‘Princess Diana’ - neither was correct, but both were commonly used.

I do however think it was disrespectful of Harry and Meghan to refer to her as “Kate” in their public message - especially when they insist on using their own titles at every opportunity.

Why would you use her first husband's name? Her own name is Camilla Shand, and she's the step-MIL, not MIL.

Sashamalia

Usually two people in the royal family get the same place name title in a generation.

As people inherit it after someone dies.

And people get confused, amd think of the first person who had the place name, not the second person who now has it

It's confusing for people. And it's hard to remember, as their title keeps changing when someone dies.

Is it really that confusing and difficult?
I can't say I'm bothered whether "Kate Middleton" is used or "the Princess of Wales" or even just "Kate/Catherine".
I'd know who was meant. I'd certainly draw the line at something derogatory like "Waity Katie" though.

Non-royal people change their names and/or job titles too.
If a woman chooses to take her husband's surname instead of her maiden name, people don't stumble around, bewildered, saying "But Mrs Smith is his mother - now it's his wife too! How can that be?".

Diana was Princess of wales, now Kate is princess of wales

And there've been Princesses of Wales long before Diana, so if the poor, confused people are going to think of the first person who had the place name they're going to have to think back a good way.

I don't think people are as easily confused and unable to take in change as you think.
Whether or not they choose to use that knowledge and always say "Catherine, the Princess of Wales", shorten it to the (inaccurate) "Princess Catherine/Kate" or use "Kate Middleton" is another matter.

I'm still a bit worried about kate.

Something feels off

Something feels off

🙄

Something IS "off". She is having chemotherapy treatment for cancer. That's always a bit off.

Theyve announced that she has cancer. The royal family can say that anything is happening.
.

That doesnt necessarily mean that it is happening

I don't believe everything I hear, and neither do other people.

People especially don't believe everything that the royal family says anymore.

I was in a coffee group this morning and the people in it were saying

"The public were constantly worrying and questioning what is going on with kate.

If you want the public to stop asking questions about kate,
Saying that she has cancer would be a good way to get them to stop asking questions about her.

As the public will now accept that she will not be seen for months. Because of cancer treatment"

When something else altogether could be going on