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Yet another picture agency has ‘killed’ the Mother’s Day photo due to credibility issues

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Helfs · 11/03/2024 11:01

KP PR are really not doing well with this!

Associated press
AFP
Reuters
Getty images
And now PA media have all issued picture kill notifications to their editors and publishers regarding the Mother’s Day image due to how highly edited it was

Not going to help with the conspiracy theories

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YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/03/2024 11:24

Serenster · 11/03/2024 11:21

This comment from the president of the NUJ throws more light on the press stance here. Privacy means they are cut out of the distribution channels, and they don’t like it

And there it is. The issue is they’re in a huff with the way William wants to do things.

CwmYoy · 11/03/2024 11:25

Still not seeing why the fuss. Leave the poor woman alone.

ChalcotSq · 11/03/2024 11:26

Have KP removed or replaced the photo on their Instagram? Or reissued the original unedited version?

GoldThumb · 11/03/2024 11:26

minou123 · 11/03/2024 11:18

I think some people are confusing this issue..

I've just posted this on another thread, but hopefully it will clarify.

William, Kate/Kensington Palace (or whoever) did both: posted the picture on Instagram and sent the official press release handout to all the press agencies

The press agencies, like the BBC, lifted and used the picture from Instagram.

Other press agencies, like Associated Press, Reuters, Getty, Press Association, waited for the official press handout from Kensington Palace.

That's why people are confusing this issue. It's also why each press agency is taking a different approach on whether to publish the photo or not.

Thank you, I think I’ve got it now 😂

As I said, if it was just posted to insta, then meh.

But if they’ve released it to the agencies themselves, then that’s really sloppy. Because of all the crazy theories atm, you’d think they’d be extra careful.

I don’t understand why it’s bigger that another agency have pulled it after she clarified though?
Surely now they’ve had confirmation it’s been manipulated/edited, they definitely can’t use it anymore?
As in, if the others killed it because they suspected it was edited, they’d definitely have to do it once confirmed?
Or am I missing something?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/03/2024 11:27

ChalcotSq · 11/03/2024 11:26

Have KP removed or replaced the photo on their Instagram? Or reissued the original unedited version?

No.

Aquarius1234 · 11/03/2024 11:28

KP said William took the photo, but how do we the public know this is 100% true?

LindorDoubleChoc · 11/03/2024 11:28

Please. Why did you start a third thread on this, just why?

Serenster · 11/03/2024 11:29

Aquarius1234 · 11/03/2024 11:28

KP said William took the photo, but how do we the public know this is 100% true?

You don’t. Hope that helps.

AutumnCrow · 11/03/2024 11:29

Ha! Royals running amok with the press. Whatever next?

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/03/2024 11:31

Helfs · 11/03/2024 11:08

Nope. The new news is that PA media issued their order and maintained it after she admitted to editing it

i think they’ve crossed paths though as their order says ‘We became aware of concerns about the image and we carried a report about it last night, and made clear that we were seeking urgent clarification about the image from Kensington Palace. In the absence of that clarification, we are killing the image from our picture service.’

That suggests they made the call before the clarification, rather than deciding to continue after the clarification.

Photohopping · 11/03/2024 11:31

I composite layers usually when there’s a light issue ie the kids look bright whilst Kate looks very dark.. so 2 pictures taken moments apart but at different light readings (I’m terrible at explaining!!) are composited together so that the attention is not on her figure but on everyone around her. Very difficult to do with live subjects who will normally move slightly between shots. Great for sunsets when you want to get the foreground and background in. Talking of terrible photo manipulation and royalty, did anyone else spot this story .. ‘critics noted that the king appears to have no legs’ 😂😂 http://hoaxes.org/photo_database/image/holiday_greetings_from_spains_royal_family

Holiday Greetings, from Spain’s Royal Family

The official Christmas holiday photograph of the Spanish royal family, published on its website, showed King Juan Carlos and his wife Queen Sofia sitting on a red sofa surrounded by their seven grandchildren. A spokesman for the royal family later admi...

http://hoaxes.org/photo_database/image/holiday_greetings_from_spains_royal_family

InfraredLight · 11/03/2024 11:33

I think we need to read between the lines here. If that photo had just been filtered or tweaked (in the way that for example, the Kardashian's do) it would not have been pulled. Almost all pictures in the media these days will be edited or photoshopped to some degree. You know the ones that haven't - the ones that the Daily Mail deliberately print to make celebs look awful.

There is something about this photo that goes beyond that. To pull it completely - especially when the source is the Royal Family implies it is not a genuine image at all. It goes way beyond a little editing. It is not a 'real' image. The telegraph are using the words 'doctored' which suggests a lot more than 'tweaks'.

I am a supporter of the Princess of Wales and don't mind the Royal Family but they have handled this appallingly. Of course they can take the high road and say nothing, but speculation will just intensify.

Goblinmodeactivated · 11/03/2024 11:35

Composite layers doesn’t explain why her rings aren’t on? The little bits of editing fails are minor and I don’t believe they are the reason why the photo is being pulled as it happens all the time with royal/celeb photos…
I think media agencies believe the photo has been substantially changed in editing; so as to not a true depiction of the scene, not just lighting etc improved.

Aquarius1234 · 11/03/2024 11:35

InfraredLight · 11/03/2024 11:33

I think we need to read between the lines here. If that photo had just been filtered or tweaked (in the way that for example, the Kardashian's do) it would not have been pulled. Almost all pictures in the media these days will be edited or photoshopped to some degree. You know the ones that haven't - the ones that the Daily Mail deliberately print to make celebs look awful.

There is something about this photo that goes beyond that. To pull it completely - especially when the source is the Royal Family implies it is not a genuine image at all. It goes way beyond a little editing. It is not a 'real' image. The telegraph are using the words 'doctored' which suggests a lot more than 'tweaks'.

I am a supporter of the Princess of Wales and don't mind the Royal Family but they have handled this appallingly. Of course they can take the high road and say nothing, but speculation will just intensify.

Like one of them not being present in the photo in the first place...
Rather than giving them amazing hair afterwards...

ShamedBySiri · 11/03/2024 11:40

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/03/2024 11:20

it’s almost as if the press are in a massive huff at the fact W&K have stayed silent about her health, despite the constant pushing, and have even not used a professional photographer on the annual occasion they usually do.

William is determined to do things differently and the press aren’t liking it so they’re pushing back in as many ways possible.

This.
They nearly always do their own photos, but the press think they should get to do a photo shoot. Then they won't be happy with "OK you've got half an hour, make it snappy". Oh no, they'll want time setting up demanding changes like the one who told The Queen her crown was too dressy. No wonder they want to protect the children and keep it in house. I suppose it was much easier in the days of Lord Lichfield and Lord Snowden, being family. 🤷‍♀️

PerfectYear321 · 11/03/2024 11:42

The press have asked for the original and the palace have refused. Speaks volumes. This could literally be cleared up in seconds by releasing the original.

minou123 · 11/03/2024 11:43

GoldThumb · 11/03/2024 11:26

Thank you, I think I’ve got it now 😂

As I said, if it was just posted to insta, then meh.

But if they’ve released it to the agencies themselves, then that’s really sloppy. Because of all the crazy theories atm, you’d think they’d be extra careful.

I don’t understand why it’s bigger that another agency have pulled it after she clarified though?
Surely now they’ve had confirmation it’s been manipulated/edited, they definitely can’t use it anymore?
As in, if the others killed it because they suspected it was edited, they’d definitely have to do it once confirmed?
Or am I missing something?

No worries 😁

Its an interesting question.

(Small disclaimer: I'm not an expert in this field. I am interested in the press, so this has been interesting to read about)

I think what it boils down to is each press agency has different policies and standards for photoshopping/editing.

For example:
Associated Press: they have made it clear they do not accept any editing. They won't publish any photos that have been photoshopped.
They issued a "kill" order when the moment they suspected the photo was edited.

A very hard stance. Some people think a bit dramatic, but that's their policy.

BBC: they've admitted they used the photo from Instagram, so have to accept that it comes with the risk of editing.
I suspect they accept some small editing/photoshopping.

Press Association: they suspected the photo was edited, but they decided to ask Kensington Palace for confirmation before pulling it.
Now that a statement has been released that the photo was edited, PA has decided to not publish the photo anymore.

Quite a long post 😂but in summary, each press agency decides what they deem acceptable editing or photoshopping.

GrouchyKiwi · 11/03/2024 11:43

Goblinmodeactivated · 11/03/2024 11:35

Composite layers doesn’t explain why her rings aren’t on? The little bits of editing fails are minor and I don’t believe they are the reason why the photo is being pulled as it happens all the time with royal/celeb photos…
I think media agencies believe the photo has been substantially changed in editing; so as to not a true depiction of the scene, not just lighting etc improved.

Her rings aren't surgically attached to her fingers. People take their wedding rings off for all sorts of reasons, including when fingers are puffy due to medication. It's not a big deal.

ColleenDonaghy · 11/03/2024 11:45

ShamedBySiri · 11/03/2024 11:40

This.
They nearly always do their own photos, but the press think they should get to do a photo shoot. Then they won't be happy with "OK you've got half an hour, make it snappy". Oh no, they'll want time setting up demanding changes like the one who told The Queen her crown was too dressy. No wonder they want to protect the children and keep it in house. I suppose it was much easier in the days of Lord Lichfield and Lord Snowden, being family. 🤷‍♀️

Honestly I doubt these agencies care in the slightest that they don't get access to the royals, or that Kate is recovering in private.

This is about the integrity of the image.

Paidanddone · 11/03/2024 11:46

Aquarius1234 · 11/03/2024 11:28

KP said William took the photo, but how do we the public know this is 100% true?

You're so very heavily invested in them aren't you? 🫨

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 11/03/2024 11:51

minou123 · 11/03/2024 11:43

No worries 😁

Its an interesting question.

(Small disclaimer: I'm not an expert in this field. I am interested in the press, so this has been interesting to read about)

I think what it boils down to is each press agency has different policies and standards for photoshopping/editing.

For example:
Associated Press: they have made it clear they do not accept any editing. They won't publish any photos that have been photoshopped.
They issued a "kill" order when the moment they suspected the photo was edited.

A very hard stance. Some people think a bit dramatic, but that's their policy.

BBC: they've admitted they used the photo from Instagram, so have to accept that it comes with the risk of editing.
I suspect they accept some small editing/photoshopping.

Press Association: they suspected the photo was edited, but they decided to ask Kensington Palace for confirmation before pulling it.
Now that a statement has been released that the photo was edited, PA has decided to not publish the photo anymore.

Quite a long post 😂but in summary, each press agency decides what they deem acceptable editing or photoshopping.

Have PA issued another statement as their earlier one clearly crossed with KP as it said they hadn’t had any clarification from Kensington palace? Not that they had had the clarification and were still pulling the photo.

Serenster · 11/03/2024 11:53

If that photo had just been filtered or tweaked (in the way that for example, the Kardashian's do) it would not have been pulled.

That’s not true. Experts have commented that the news photo agencies will pull
images for manipulation if red eyes are colour corrected. The BBC said anything beyond correcting dust on the lense is a problem.

The AP has said Charlotte’s cuff was their reason for acting.

Helfs · 11/03/2024 11:54

GoldThumb · 11/03/2024 11:26

Thank you, I think I’ve got it now 😂

As I said, if it was just posted to insta, then meh.

But if they’ve released it to the agencies themselves, then that’s really sloppy. Because of all the crazy theories atm, you’d think they’d be extra careful.

I don’t understand why it’s bigger that another agency have pulled it after she clarified though?
Surely now they’ve had confirmation it’s been manipulated/edited, they definitely can’t use it anymore?
As in, if the others killed it because they suspected it was edited, they’d definitely have to do it once confirmed?
Or am I missing something?

It’s big because media and picture agencies do publish edited images. They also usually require knowing what was edited (and sometimes why)

This stance proves it’s not just a case of photoshopping a wrinkle out, Getty for example, the last time I saw them kill an image was when they were concerned the content was entirely faked.

It’s pretty clear that Kate has been highly edited (hence why most of the issues are around her body, charlottes hair, skirt etc.) to a degree that even media agencies can’t accept

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Goblinmodeactivated · 11/03/2024 11:55

GrouchyKiwi · 11/03/2024 11:43

Her rings aren't surgically attached to her fingers. People take their wedding rings off for all sorts of reasons, including when fingers are puffy due to medication. It's not a big deal.

’people’ sure… royals in a posed photo that they formally released worldwide, not so much. There are clearly issues with the photo beyond a bit of casual photoshop, I’m speculating that the hands being in an unnatural position without rings is linked to that, maybe it isn’t.

Helfs · 11/03/2024 11:57

LindorDoubleChoc · 11/03/2024 11:28

Please. Why did you start a third thread on this, just why?

Please. Why did you comment on this thread

just why?

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