Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, spotted out and about, part 4

[pipsfromthefuture]

Part 4 of a nice, unproblematic thread to discuss some of the fab outfits from the Duchess of Sussex, and some of the many great causes she (and Harry) and Archewell supports.

@AliceOlive quite so

I read that 43% of Meghan’s ancestry that is Nigerian. Does this mean that Doria is nearly 100% Nigerian? This is amazing.

Yes. That’s exactly what it means🙃.

That must be highly unusual in America for any family that has been there more than one generation.

I guess the Nigerians, who will surely be dancing in the streets, don't really care about their neighbours who are being raped, tortured and murdered by those working for Harry's charity African Parks.

Will someone explain genealogy to me? Does Meghan have more Markle genes then?

That must be highly unusual in America for any family that has been there more than one generation.

Hmm. I wonder why a large proportion of Meghan’s haplotype comes from where Nigeria is now? And why many similar to people to Meghan in the Americas have similar admixtures and haplotypes? Mysterious.

Will someone explain genealogy to me? Does Meghan have more Markle genes then?

By definition half her genes are Markle genes. The comment about her ancestry is about the haplotypes from her African heritage.

It would be highly unusual for all of one’s ancestors to all be from one part of Africa in America. Unless that person is Obama and even then it might be unusual that for so many generations no one ever had children with a person of a different origin.

No it is not. You might want to look it up - “admixtures” “haplotypes” “African-American” can be your search terms.

For everyone else the majority of African genes (haplotypes) for people of African descent in the Americas is West and Central African. There is very little representation from North Africa, East Africa or Southern Africa. Again the reason for this is mysterious.

Skullbabe
Many of you who have camped out on this thread to turn it into yet another “we hate Meghan - let me count the ways” have succeeded because you have successfully told many positive posters they are not welcome here.

Skullbabe - for me personally, it's absolutely NOT about hating Meghan. It is about hating the fangirl adulation. I just can't square this unquestioning adoration (and worship of her crazily expensive wardrobe) with the very calculating and attention-seeking woman I see before me.

In real life I would never mention Meghan or even think about her unless she comes up in a news item - but it's when the syrupy teenage stuff starts and I just think "But she's giving off mean-girl vibes so strongly....doesn't anyone else see it?" Yes, it's a subjective view, but I know I'm not alone in this gut feeling.

You might reasonably say 'Well, what about the Princess of Wales and threads admiring her?" But I don't see the same fangirl attitudes there - and also, the Pess of Wales is doing a job she's paid for by us and expected to do. She follows instructions, wears the required outfit and does a great professional job. She doesn't go out there to hug people performatively or push herself into the front/centre of everything. I don't think she would have taken it upon herself to march in shorts in front of the Invictus veterans, grinning the while.

Yes, inevitably they get compared, which is unfair on both of them - like comparing apples and oranges - but my point is that the Princess of Wales is dong a job as part of the constitution and doesn't go out to attract attention to herself per se. Whereas M and H are absolutely live for personal publicity and therefore I think comment is fair enough, as long as it's not nasty and vicious, which I don't think it is here on MN. Can't speak for the tabloids etc.

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Are you my mom?

It is about hating the fangirl adulation. I just can't square this unquestioning adoration (and worship of her crazily expensive wardrobe) with the very calculating and attention-seeking woman I see before me.

It is absolutely this. Someone could write a paper on it. It’s hardly about Meghan at all.

I don't know if Harry disclosed how she received that information, but if it was from one of the commercial testings, it can be viewed with some scepticism.

"For deeper family roots, these tests do not really tell you where your ancestors came from. They say where DNA like yours can be found on Earth today. By inference, we are to assume that significant proportions of our deep family came from those places. But to say that you are 20 percent Irish, 4 percent Native American or 12 percent Scandinavian is fun, trivial and has very little scientific meaning"

Neighbours? Interesting. 🤔

Off to see the Nigerian contingent being over the top on other platforms.

Ah the old hate word is back . And racism .
When all else fails , resort to those accusations.

for me personally, it's absolutely NOT about hating Meghan. It is about hating the fangirl adulation. I just can't square this unquestioning adoration (and worship of her crazily expensive wardrobe) with the very calculating and attention-seeking woman I see before me.

This is absolutely it for me. I don’t usual post on here but I have read all four threads over time. It all feels very ‘odd’ that grown adults can get so excited over what a woman (and a divisive one at that) wears, to the point where they have to go and immediately see if they can find a dupe to buy. She wears some nice things but cmon, really? She is put on a pedestal here as someone to look up to, a fashion icon to be copied (each to their own and all that) but if you are going to do that with such a divisive person, and on this board, then expect people to challenge not only her fashion but that you have her on this pedestal of the great and the good.

And yes, there has definately been an element of goadiness and to pretend there hasn't is a nonsense.

Just to add, to OP, really,... it's disingenuous to expect any intelligent, reflective person to take a well-known person's clothes and appearance at face value. Where wealth gives people choices, those choices will be very revealing about that person - and often, absolutely fascinating - and some people send the 'I couldn't care less about clothes' message with their clothes. I think it's asking for the moon to make a rule that posters should only comment on clothes and not make any judgments based on that. It's obvious on some occasions, for eg, that Meghan has deliberately copied Diana's clothes and it's impossible not to draw conclusions from this.

Someone once remarked to me that the Nazis were 'so glam' with their sharp uniforms and highly effective red/white/black colour scheme. I was taken aback, but had to agree when I thought about it. Before anyone jumps in - I'm not suggesting a correlation between Meghan and Harry and the bloody Nazis!! I'm simply saying that, if we're going to completely cut out any moral or other judgments, then yes - the Nazis were indeed very glam and beat the Allies hands-down on style! My point is that most people quite reasonably can't and won't separate style from substance and meaning.

Despite the disingenuous “mysterious” comment, it’s not ok to lump groups together as “everyone similar to Meghan in the Americas”. POC are not monolithic in the US; one should not assume anything based on appearance. There are many people who would roll their eyes at being lumped together simply because they are not white in appearance, having African but also with Native American, Portuguese, or Caribbean ancestry, for some specific example.

Also, whether we like it or not, our clothes and what we choose to wear does impart meaning. We are part of the animal kingdom after all and are programmed to give off signals. Even someone who does not seem to care about their appearance is making a statement of some sort (ie I can’t be bothered with superficial things, or at the other extreme, I have lost interest in myself). The Princess of Wales and latterly the Duchess of Edinburgh in Ukraine often use literal dressing as a show of support for their hosts or the occasion. Meghan has often made these statements with her expensive clothes which presumably are trying to suggest wealth and status. Unfortunately, Meghan’s clothes are often ill fitting or seemingly inappropriate for the moment she is in. So people will make a judgement. I think she looks best in casual or well tailored clothing in a brighter colour. I often think when she is in a gown, it appears to be wearing her rather than the other way round.

If it’s just comments on clothes people are after, the Royal thread in S&B is what you want. No personal judgement. Just opinions on clothes 🤷‍♀️

I read your posts this morning skullbabe Good job!🤗

I like that observation in your post @smilesy . The difference between someone wearing something that is like a "second skin" for them because they have confidence in who they are and what their purpose is, as opposed to someone cos playing who they think they are supposed to be or a purpose they are not sure of. The same outfit might look very different on each person because of their inner belief in themselves. As animals, we instinctively recognise confidence in others.

If it’s just comments on clothes people are after, the Royal thread in S&B is what you want. No personal judgement. Just opinions on clothes 🤷‍♀️

I wasn’t aware of such a thread in S&B (I don’t really follow that topic) but that does sound a more appropriate ‘fit’, no pun intended, if just chatting royal fashion is your thing.

Why come on here with deliberately inflammatory and goady remarks about posters?

For those mentioning the hatred on this thread.

I understand that criticism may not be wanted for Meghan or Harry but perhaps also cast an eye on the criticism being given to others.

The nastiness displayed for members of the Royal Family lately has been off the scale. Not whataboutery . The truth.

The dreadful things said about the Prince and Princess of Wales would have been absolutely shut down if it had been said about H&M and rightly so. It was abhorrent and would be for any couple.

And yet.

It isn’t a patch on the barely disguised hatred elsewhere where people are labelled racist for merely having an opinion. The nasty digs. The pointed comments. Ageism too.

I don’t think any who let those specific comments pass without challenge is in a position to lecture anyone here about hatred.

I could list it too. I haven’t the inclination to repeat it.

But it has been seen.

And to quote a beautiful soul called Lucinda Light?

It is not my jam.