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The royal family

Harry’s security case

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smilesy · 28/02/2024 11:21

The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 09/05/2024 22:12

BemusedAmerican · 08/05/2024 21:03

He brought the same body guard he used in NYC. It was the guy with the distinctive yellow tie. He wore the same tie in NYC.

I watched the video of his arrival. He seemed perfectly safe but oddly enough all the clergy at the door were staring past his grinning face with completely blank expressions.

The clergy are probably worried that Harry will claim the real Invictus ceremony happened the day before, and this one was just a circus for the tabloids.

smilesy · 10/05/2024 08:07

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 09/05/2024 22:12

The clergy are probably worried that Harry will claim the real Invictus ceremony happened the day before, and this one was just a circus for the tabloids.

😂

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smilesy · 21/05/2024 19:35

The Telegraph is now reporting that Harry was offered a Royal Residence (unspecified) to stay in for the Invictus event so that he could spend time with his father, but he rejected it because it didn’t come with security.

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IcedPurple · 21/05/2024 19:45

smilesy · 21/05/2024 19:35

The Telegraph is now reporting that Harry was offered a Royal Residence (unspecified) to stay in for the Invictus event so that he could spend time with his father, but he rejected it because it didn’t come with security.

How could a royal residence 'come with no security provision'? Don't all residences on royal estates have 'built in' security?

Is he safer from whatever dangers he believes lurk around every corner staying in some random hotel?

Serenster · 21/05/2024 20:11

“Royal Residences” in London are St James Palace, Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace, Windsor Castle and Clarence House. All of those are on secure, guarded sites. The cottages and houses that other family members live in (Andrew, Eugenie, Beatrice etc) are on those guarded sites.

The Edinburghs live in Bagshott Park in Surrey and Princess Alexandra in Richmond - both of those are probably close enough to count as “London” accommodation, but I don’t think Char;es would have expected his son to crash with his aunt and uncle, or an elderly distant relative.

Unless the Royal Family have a secret royal residence in London, that’s it.

The Telegraph’s statement sounds unlikely.

JSMill · 21/05/2024 20:13

smilesy · 21/05/2024 19:35

The Telegraph is now reporting that Harry was offered a Royal Residence (unspecified) to stay in for the Invictus event so that he could spend time with his father, but he rejected it because it didn’t come with security.

Surely not? That's ludicrous!

smilesy · 21/05/2024 20:26

Yes I was just thinking that this seems a
bit unlikely. Unless he means no security when he arrives or leaves 🤷‍♀️

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Sandwichgen · 21/05/2024 20:28

So he stayed at a hotel instead. Totally safe!

(and he’s appealing the RAVEC Judicial Review decision, I believe)

smilesy · 21/05/2024 20:43

Ah. Further down it clarifies that his concern was indeed when he was coming and going. Still not sure how that follows 🤷‍♀️ (sorry can’t archive the article)

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DuchessOfPort · 21/05/2024 20:47

He should think about getting a black cab and a hat. And not telling everyone his travel plans.

shenandoahvalley · 21/05/2024 20:56

Either he has received a specific threat in the past (not unlikely) or he's lost his marbles.

This is a man who's just come back from an entirely optional three day jaunt to Nigeria. Not a comment on Nigeria, it's that his visit had no official oversight (because he visited in his private capacity) and it was foreign territory into which he lacks the level of insight and experience he has in the UK. And yet he felt willing and able to trust the organisers of that visit with his and his wife's lives (they travelled together and left both children behind). He doesn't trust the UK to keep just him safe.

Maybe he knows something we don't, but given the track record the K has of keeping members of the RF safe on home turf, I don't think that's the case.

I don't know why I continue to be surprised by the scale of his hypocrisy and the depth of his stupidity.

Mylovelygreendress · 21/05/2024 20:56

DuchessOfPort · 21/05/2024 20:47

He should think about getting a black cab and a hat. And not telling everyone his travel plans.

Did Prince Philip not own a black cab ?

smilesy · 21/05/2024 21:10

The comments are mainly of the opinion that this piece doesn’t make sense and has come wholesale from the Sussex camp. Who knows

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IcedPurple · 21/05/2024 21:22

Extremely famous people live in or visit London all the time. They manage to move around discreetly and safely, despite not having official security.

Why does Harry think he's so special?

IcedPurple · 21/05/2024 21:35

This is a man who's just come back from an entirely optional three day jaunt to Nigeria. Not a comment on Nigeria,

I think you can make it a comment on Nigeria. It is a notoriously corrupt and dangerous country, with a serious kidnapping risk. Both the State Department and FCDO caution against travel there. Yes, they had military escorts, but as you say, this was not a government sponsored trip so it will still have been risky, especially for parents who left their young children on another continent.

By contrast, London is known as a very safe city for the many VIP's who live and visit. As I've said previously, this is Harry's wounded ego talking. He wants his old status back, even though he supposedly chose to find freedom.

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 21/05/2024 21:38

Mylovelygreendress · 21/05/2024 20:56

Did Prince Philip not own a black cab ?

He did. Friend is black cab driver and Prince Philip used to go and meet up with some of them apparently!

BruFord · 21/05/2024 21:44

Either he has received a specific threat in the past (not unlikely) or he's lost his marbles.

I agree that he may have received specific threats in the past @shenandoahvalley and that might be part of the issue. Harry seems to be stuck in 2019 and not realize that the UK/the RF’s moved on since then.
He and his family are far less likely to be threatened nowadays, because they don’t represent the RF anymore, they’re not considered senior royals in 2024. They’ve got what they wanted. 🤷

AuroraCake · 21/05/2024 22:36

smilesy · 21/05/2024 19:35

The Telegraph is now reporting that Harry was offered a Royal Residence (unspecified) to stay in for the Invictus event so that he could spend time with his father, but he rejected it because it didn’t come with security.

Appears this comes lock stock from Victoria Ward who is a Sussexite and one they help with stories. He just wants things on his terms and obviously blames his father for his lack of security. He is just not very well I don’t think. Didn’t the actual court documents show the royal household had advocated for keeping the security. He wanted to stay in Windsor in the summer but they said no because there wasn’t enough notice so he groaned over having to stay in hotel. Now they offer him accommodation but it’s about security. But they could only offer the security of the place. __

shenandoahvalley · 21/05/2024 23:32

I think, like his mother, he has in the past had just cause for worry and real concern.

I also think that, like his mother, he lacks the maturity and intellect and wisdom to see beyond that. He’ll probably feel paranoid and gaslit, just like his mother. And the more people tell him not to worry, the deeper the paranoia will run. Just like his mother.

And, like his mother, left with nowhere to turn and not knowing who to trust, and being surrounded by people who will kowtow to him and/or seek to exploit him at every turn, he’s made rash and poor choices. He wants to be in charge of himself, flex his muscles, and throw in some machismo there too.

I cannot imagine, as a parent myself, ever thinking that a woman I’ve known for a few years and who’s known (surely he’s heard all this gossip) to be grasping and grifting would have his best interests at heart more than his own remaining parent and brother. I can’t believe he really thinks his choices in the past 5 years have been the best ones - more so, the more he says they have been. I think he was just desperate to get out, and now he’s desperate to get back but on his own terms and saving face. Ain’t gonna happen, not for as long as he’s married to Meghan. It’s all terribly sad.

behonestwithyourself · 21/05/2024 23:40

IcedPurple · 21/05/2024 21:22

Extremely famous people live in or visit London all the time. They manage to move around discreetly and safely, despite not having official security.

Why does Harry think he's so special?

And that is the question! Why does he think he is so special? It's almost like these people who are convinced they are being followed - an almost paranoid delusion. For someone like that I have no idea why he would go to a country like Nigeria.

behonestwithyourself · 21/05/2024 23:40

@shenandoahvalley who from ?

shenandoahvalley · 21/05/2024 23:46

behonestwithyourself · 21/05/2024 23:40

@shenandoahvalley who from ?

Who has he received specific threats from? I have no idea. I would be extremely surprised if he HADN’T received some sort of menacing threat on the occasion of his engagement to a non-British, non-white woman. There are plenty of racist pigs in the U.K. wherever you look, no shortage at all. Whether they were meaningful or empty threats I wouldn’t know. But I would trust whoever is in charge to keep the late Queen’s grandson/new King’s son’s safe. You’d think Harry would, too.

EchoChamber · 21/05/2024 23:48

shenandoahvalley · 21/05/2024 23:32

I think, like his mother, he has in the past had just cause for worry and real concern.

I also think that, like his mother, he lacks the maturity and intellect and wisdom to see beyond that. He’ll probably feel paranoid and gaslit, just like his mother. And the more people tell him not to worry, the deeper the paranoia will run. Just like his mother.

And, like his mother, left with nowhere to turn and not knowing who to trust, and being surrounded by people who will kowtow to him and/or seek to exploit him at every turn, he’s made rash and poor choices. He wants to be in charge of himself, flex his muscles, and throw in some machismo there too.

I cannot imagine, as a parent myself, ever thinking that a woman I’ve known for a few years and who’s known (surely he’s heard all this gossip) to be grasping and grifting would have his best interests at heart more than his own remaining parent and brother. I can’t believe he really thinks his choices in the past 5 years have been the best ones - more so, the more he says they have been. I think he was just desperate to get out, and now he’s desperate to get back but on his own terms and saving face. Ain’t gonna happen, not for as long as he’s married to Meghan. It’s all terribly sad.

I don’t know if he is desperate to get back really. I think he just doesn’t want to face the fact that maybe Meghan isn’t the woman he thought would save him from himself. I don’t think he wants to admit that he isn’t really happy. Even if he admitted that to himself I still don’t think he would want to go back. He’s lost in a sort of no man’s land. Neither one thing or another , belonging nowhere and with no real purpose. He’s becoming a liability to Invictus now, and it’s possible Meghan is beginning to feel he is surplus to requirements too. He just has no role.

When Charles dies, he will be completely adrift because William will never forgive him.

shenandoahvalley · 21/05/2024 23:57

Spare to William, spare to Meghan. Destined to a supporting role in whatever he does. He should embrace it, like his aunt and uncles have. There's such privilege in not having to shoulder the burden (as I'm sure Meghan tells him all the time!).

Vespanest · 22/05/2024 00:00

I just think it’s purely money based, he can’t let it go because he’s not sure long term if he can afford to. If he’s not safe in the UK without armed protection, how is he safe anywhere that doesn’t allow armed private security. You don’t spend half a million upwards plus the other side half a million costs for the chance to get two weeks in the uk (just Harry) a year.

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