Harry’s security case

[smilesy]

The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

@Puzzledandpissedoff
"I fully appreciate that the upbringing he had was a lousy fit for the real world..."
Personally, I thunk ALL the children within the royal family should be brought up to have the necessary skills to find employment outside of the RF circle.
In the past we had a king abdicate (Edward VIII), and now Harry (by his own choice) has opted out of being a 'working' member of the RF and needs therefore to earn his own money, but appears to lack the skills to do so.

Totally agree, @milveycrohn, but then as a republican I suppose I would

If we must have a RF at all I can just about see keeping the heir on track for nothing else, but certainly not the rest of them - and as we saw during Covid it's not as if the sky will fall if they're not constantly out there opening things and generally being seen

He isn’t very bright, and that’s a hindrance in itself.

Not particularly bright children from wealthy families have always been ‘kept’ - either outright through a trust fund or through a job in the family’s business or that of a friend. Bright children often too. It is not like they could just step into a role that generates the level of wealth their family has that comes from inheritance, corrupt or extraordinary success in business.

Harry’s problem is not an inability to earn a living, it is his expectation of what that living should be.

Well he’s had at least one very large inheritance. He can’t complain. I do wonder what his former Army pals think of him now. Lord of the Manor with his 24 hour a day security and private jets. Not to mention his grabby wife in her designer gear.

With reference to H perhaps not being bright…objectively you don’t get to pass the wings course at Shawbury and you certainly don’t end up commanding an Apache if you are thick.

Slow and below par students get weeded out of flying training before they kill themselves.

However such training doesn’t give you the skill set needed to run a business and there’s the whole issue with PH of perhaps a sense of entitlement and lack of exposure to the real world where you need to running a bank account, paying his own bills etc.

I thought Harry was always flying with a more senior person present though? I may be wrong.

I know Harry isn’t prone to introspection but I do wonder if he has moments when he thinks wtf have I done ?
I do hope he is happy and it is clear he loves his wife and children but I really don’t think he imagined things turning out this way .

However such training doesn’t give you the skill set needed to run a business

Leading men, managing resources, motivating others, setting out clear objectives and routes to meet those objectives… I would have thought being an officer in the armed forces would give you a lot of the skills needed to run a business.

I have never heard that was the case, and I know somebody who instructed at Shawbury at the time H went through there.

Certainly once he was commander qualified on the Apache (prior to his second period in Afghanistan) he would have been the senior pilot on the aircraft.

Lots of skills at a basic level yes, probably more training than the average man or woman on the street gets, but it’s worth remembering he didn’t (AFAIK) push on and do the staff and other courses you need to do to be considered for senior officer rank….

Traditionally for the sons of aristocracy it was:

1st son inherits estate
2nd son bought a commission in the armed forces
3rd son given a ‘living’ in the church.

Though for all sons of the monarch it would have been ‘inherit estate’. As such that is what they would have been trained for; the business of running and managing the estate.

He could have been a search and rescue helicopter like his brother. I’m sure William would have loved to have had that option. He seemed to really enjoy it and doesn’t seem to enjoy being a King in waiting.

army officers usually don’t get to disappear when a routine drug test happens so I’m not going to faithfully trust his recruitment process.
i do wonder if his security has slimmed down, rumours of the UK non visit, video appearance at a military awards, he seems to be out more when a film crew is present,

Does anyone know if Harry and Meghan are involved with the HALO Trust at all, the landmine clearance trust? At least two of their senior people are ex Army. Bloody amazing organisation.

Diana was heavily involved with them. It would have been a fit for Harry to get involved too.

Problem was Harry was loosely speaking Army, which maybe doesn’t provide such as natural feed into the SAR world as some RAF training does or at least used to…I’m not saying there isn’t cross over, but it may be slightly more complex.

TBH I’m not sure Harry would have wanted the flying option as a further career anyway…other than picking up that award there’s been almost zero sign of him having any interest in aviation since he left the Forces..if he was interested it would have been very easy for him to on with some recreational flying in the States..

Yes I’m quite surprised they haven’t really taken up any of Diana’s causes, especially as Meghan seems to want to be seen as the second coming 😆. Maybe it’s because they have no security provided 😂. Or being cynical, its because there are no merching opportunities

Oh I don’t think for one minute he went through the normal recruitment processes (aren’t they often regiment dependent/specific anyway) and I agree there seem to be all sorts of queries about some of what went on during his time in the Forces.

I simply don’t buy into the theories implying he’s not starring now because he’s completely thick….OTOH lazy, self absorbed and entitled ….quite possibly .

It may have changed since Harry was there, but you don’t apply to any regiments until you are already at Sandhurst (although you usually visit a few and some may offer to sponsor you but that puts you under no obligation to go there). Strings were clearly pulled for Harry, but what seems odd to me is that he doesn’t seem to have used ,
or even retained any of the skill sets that he surely acquired during his Tom in the army 🤷‍♀️

@smilesy

Thanks for the clarification..

”what seems odd to me is that he doesn’t seem to have used ,
or even retained any of the skill sets that he surely acquired during his Tom in the army”

Yep, that’s what I find really odd….

Time. Not Tom 😂 Typo 😂

Things were absolutely not meant to turn out this way!

The plan they devised and tried to railroad the Queen into accepting was for them to step down as FT working royals, cherry pick which events they did in future, 'collaborate' with the Queen on things that suited them, flit between the US and UK, maintain Frogmore Cottage as their UK residence, make money on the side from whatever speaking engagements and royal flummery nonsense they could get, while retaining their royal titles, patronages, Met Police security, and income from the Duchy of Cornwall. They could then have their cake and eat it - part-time royals with all the advantages and none of the disadvantages of royal life. No more walking behind W&K - they could just fly in, wave, wear the fancy clothes and jewels - and then fuck off again as soon as it was over.

Fully supporting themselves and having to pay for security was absolutely NOT part of the plan and a big part of why Harry is so furious and resentful now.

The kind of skills you need to be successful in the armed forces don't always translate well to civvy street. Harry is clearly sporty and has the kind of innate and learned skills that allowed him to fly a complex military machine - but that doesn't mean he's 'bright'. Many people who are successful in the army/navy/air force struggle to find meaningful and well-paid employment once they leave.