Harry’s security case

[smilesy]

The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

It’s costs he’s never had to consider.

I agree, @Vespanest . When you’re born into fantastic wealth (whether royalty or an extremely wealthy family), you presumably never have to consider the cost of anything. If someone else always handles bill payments, you literally have no idea.

Applying for a mortgage, paying household bills and for his security with his own money must’ve been a huge shock to Harry. The magic money pot isn’t bottomless anymore.
That’s real life. 🤷

I realize this is a stupid question but who does he think is going to attack him? Can't he just drive in an unobtrusive car, get out at the back of the crypt, and go to the service? Is he afraid he will be killed by an angy mob? I just don't understand why he is so fearful about the UK.

He's not fearful.

As I said above, this is about status, prestige and ego. Not security.

He cannot accept that he simply isn't very important now.

I see. I work in a job where having security would really make a difference but I have to rely on calling 911 for the police. I can't wrap my mind about his wasting officers who could be better used preventing actual crime just to boost his ego.

@OneHeartySnail I have said for a long time part of the issue was cultural differences UK vs US, celebrity vs royalty. This combined with H either not understanding himself, or for not being honest with M in case she ran for the hills, about how things worked e.g. titles, letters patent, security, funding from the sovereign grant and Duchy of Cornwall etc.

The article includes this quote “Before deciding whether to attend the Invictus Games anniversary event, his security team must be sure that St. Paul’s is adequately protected by the Metropolitan Police and his own security needs are met while he’s in London.”

If it is accurate then he is being ridiculous. RAVEC and the Met will do their jobs which will include adequate protection of St Paul’s and members of the RF including H.

Based on the ineptitude of Harry's security team in NYC, the Met should be the one asking the questions.

The article includes this quote “Before deciding whether to attend the Invictus Games anniversary event, his security team must be sure that St. Paul’s is adequately protected by the Metropolitan Police and his own security needs are met while he’s in London.”

I'm sure the Met is absolutely thrilled that PH and his team will be checking them out and making sure they do their job up to standard before the royal pipsqueak decides to grace us with his presence

The way he goes on, you would think he is Head of State of some turbulent state with shady enemies lurking in every corner the world over.

He is the 5th in line and works as a CHIMPO in California. His wife hawks jam for a living.

As I said above, he's simply not that important. And that's the real issue here.

Nobody cares whether he comes to London next month or not.

Quite rightly, the Met won't divulge details of their security operation to Harry or anyone else not authorised, though in refusing it would probably be claimed that they too are against him

Security arrangements are kept confidential for a reason, and it's hardly likely they'd risk their details being revealed in the next interview/book/whatever

“His wife hawks jam for a living.”

Are there any products for sale yet ?

Honestly, who does he think he is😂🤡

His head is so swollen I’d be surprised if he managed to get in the doors of St Paul’s. He is such a cheeky CHIMPO.

Why is it more dangerous for him now than when he has visited in the past? That's a rhetorical question really because imho he is just throwing his toys out of the pram now because he lost his case. Arrogant entitled prick. On the other hand, at least we won't be seeing him in this country again 😊.

Wow 😯
Well there are several things wrong here, apart fro Harry’s unreal sense of entitlement.
Firstly, why does Harry think that the Met would not have the necessary expertise to ensure security?
Secondly, if the Met are that useless, why does he want them to provide security at his beck and call when he drops by?
Thirdly, why should the Met be providing any security for a private event? They are a police force, not a security service?
He really doesn’t have a left handed clue 🙄

@smilesy
He wants IPP status, whereby his sercurity WHEREVER he is, would be paid for by the counyty he is in.
This is the first stage in getting it (except that he has currently failed the case).
His security in the US must be astronomical, and it would help if he could get someone else to pay for it.

I don’t think he has a clue about actual crime. He lives in a bubble and where he and his wife are front and centre at all times.

It's recognised syndrome in politics, when an MP loses the election or a Minister gets re-shuffled into ignominy, and all of a sudden they have to open their own post and drive themselves around London and find somewhere to park and pay for their own stamps and pastries at Caffé Nero. And no-one has the same use for them any more.

Suddenly, brutally (it feels like), the glory days of fawning are over. All they have left is what's inside themselves and what they've built with their families. Some crumble, some retire into mediocrity, and a few smart, personable ones accept it and forge new careers.

I agree that it's about the status of being an Internationally Protected Person. But not just about the costs of his security being funded by whichever country he's in, but about being an Internationally Important Person. There aren't that many British IPPs - I think: obviously Charles and William. I vaguely recall that previous Prime Ministers are also IPPs; though I think Tony Blair, for example, pays for security when on private family holidays.

There's a YouTube channel called The Vintage Read Show. I recall watching her multi-episode review of The Housekeeper's Diary by Wendy Berry. From memory, there were a number of occasions when Diana and William had dinner together in her room, while Harry was sent to the nursery. That of course might have been solely because of the age difference. But I do wonder whether Harry's sense of resentment comes not just from being second to William in obvious situations, but also second in terms of his mother's attention at times. Hence his need to be seen as Very Important.

Theresa May lives in my area. She was obviously Home Secretary before becoming PM so for several years you would see her around accompanied by armed officers. Overnight she was left to her own devices. At first it was weird seeing her on her own. She doesn't look too bothered when she's looking at the cheese counter at Waitrose though. I think that's because she doesn't have a massive ego.

I think that his resentment comes from those things too but the thing he really can't forgive William for is having 2 more years with Diana than he did. Obviously that's not something William can ever undo (and likely wouldn't if he could). I do understand Harry's feelings but most people who are almost 40 would have come to terms with it by now, I think. Adult life would have got in the way but as discussed above, Harry's dependence on a team to run his life almost meant he got stuck at a lower level of maturity.

I do wonder if Harry will finally realise how young William really was when Diana died when his own children reach that age.

with the express, if he goes down this route does that mean he’s also coming to the end of the court cases, he’d look pretty hypocritical rocking upto court. The IPP would be after he could prove he needs security in the UK equal to William, not sure how he can do that now he’s living in the US maybe he’s already decided not to go to the court of Appeal. I really think he’s going to settle like Hugh as well, his head would spin if he had to pay money to Murdoch, I know mine would.

My dd is now at the age when my dad died… well a few months younger but in the same school year group. Am on countdown to the date. It’s been a tough old time. Idk if Harry will see it when the time comes. Perhaps he will be able to make the comparison between both his kids when Lilibet reaches the age he was when Diana died. There is roughly the same amount of an age gap between her and Archie as there is between him and William.

The article includes this quote “Before deciding whether to attend the Invictus Games anniversary event, his security team must be sure that St. Paul’s is adequately protected by the Metropolitan Police

The City of London Police might have something to say about that. Protecting St Paul's is their job, not the Met's.

Indeed. Although again, it isn’t the job of the police per se to ensure “security”. They are police, not a security firm. That would be down to the anti terrorist and Special Protection departments if appropriate. It isn’t up to Harry to decide if that is appropriate or even necessary

And that seems to be the problem right there - that Harry imagines he can always be the one calling the shots and expecting demands to be met regardless of their merit

I fully appreciate that the upbringing he had was a lousy fit for the real world, but for anyone with the slightest intelligence it must surely have been obvious there would be major changes, even if some of them came as a surprise