Harry’s security case

[smilesy]

The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

A bit more about what the judge said here

Oh dear, what a shame, never mind.

I do wish it was better reported, there is still those who believe he has had all security removed when in the UK

This doesn't surprise me at all. The 'case' always seemed like a crock. More of a toys from pram tantrum than a considered legal procedure.

What makes it worse is that, since he was suing a government department, this case was at taxpayers' expense. At one of the first hearings, the Home Office lawyer said specifically that they will ensure that Harry pays all their costs in the event of him losing. So this is going to cost him a significant amount, probably well into the hundreds of thousands. It just seems so silly, as even if he had won this Judicial Review, all that would have happened is that his case would have been returned to RAVEC for reassessment. And as the judge said, it's highly likely they would have come to the same decision all over again.

The only winners here are the lawyers.

I hope he's held to account for the costs. Such a waste of time and money to play to his vanity.

I agree although I don’t think it was ever said that he had all security removed. I think this was a conclusion jumped to by many even in the face of evidence to the contrary. And equally there are those who think he should actually have full security all the time 🤷‍♀️

In a previous discussion, I asked what exactly was unfair or unreasonable with the current arrangements, whereby Harry's security needs are under continuous review and any security deemed necessary would be supplied on a case by case basis.

Nobody was able to tell me. I guess they weren't able to convince the judge either.

That’s three wasted court cases over this issue:

• Firstly, the judicial review that the decision that he didn’t get Met police security as of right was unfair - confirmed as of today he’s lost.
• Secondly, the judicial review that the rejection of his offer to pay for Met police security himself was unfair - also lost
• Thirdly, his libel case against the Mail for pointing out that he’d only made the offer to pay as a PR gesture to improve the optics of his judicial review against the Home Office - withdrawn by Harry after getting a bloody nose at the preliminary stage when the judge held that the Mail would likely win.

Pretty spectacular failure of vanity litigation there. And massive costs run up - both his and the taxpayers’.

I’m glad he’s paying court costs and not the taxpayer.

So basically he gets no paid security?

As was outlined during the proceedings, Harry enjoys a special status whereby his security needs are under continuous review by RAVEC. If their assessments consider it necessary, he will be provided with security. If not, he won't.

That to me sounds very generous for a private citizen who lives on another continent. Seems the judge agrees.

Surely this is what he wanted when he said that he wanted freedom from the confines of the palace?

If I was an internationally famous person, being told that my security needs would be continuously monitored, I would think think that was a relief, because its a best of both worlds scenario - security when needed, freedom when not.

I never really understood his argument on this specific case.

If he's saying it's because he was the grandson of a monarch, well so were P,Z, B, E, L and J

This speaks volumes. He has time and again pushed his narrative that palace staff were out to get him, likened them to insects, and lots of other nasty insinuations. This demonstrates in black and white it’s just his victim complex speaking. It really dispels all the other lies and exaggerations he’s made about them. He must have been such a headache to manage.

So, Harry still as security provided by us the taxpayers in England?

Can Harry re-appeal? (I guess he can via 'change of circumstances)

What security does he get when he comes to see his daddy?

So is he provided with our police forces security every time he comes to England?

I wrongly assumed he was not getting taxpayer-funded security when in England. I thought it was odd when he came to to England for his grandmother's funeral as I felt he had taxpayer funded secuirty - I may be wrong

If he was pennyless, then I might have agreed with some taxpayers secuirty for him but as you know he has some money and can easily afford bodyguards

Who pays the High Court fees?

So is he provided with our police forces security every time he comes to England?

No. As I mentioned above, his security needs are assessed on a case by case basis. He seemed to want to have highly trained specialists on standby whenever he decides to pop over, but RAVEC and the courts disagreed. He will, however, be provided with taxpayer funded security should it be deemed necessary.

As for the legal costs, I think that will be decided at a later date. However, given that he lost, and given that the Home Office were explicit about their plans to pursue him for their costs, I expect this is going to cost Harry a significant amount.

My understanding is that protection officers ready and waiting, paid specifically to accommodate him if he decides to pop over to the UK. The home office otoh have told him they need something like 2/3 weeks’ notice (can’t remember how long) notice to assess and plan whether or not he needs security and for which part of his trip.

I agree. His whole narrative was “I haven’t got security because RAVEC ( or a member thereof) doesn’t like me. This was clearly nonsense

The reality is he probably has some form of funded security every visit, the difference is for royal events or on royal estates as an example he will be covered by the umbrella security so his security maybe just for arrival and departure whereas he will be use to them being permanently available. He no longer has public funded named armed security on speed dial.

Oh dear, has the perpetual victim been making things up again?

My word for word exact thoughts when I heard it on the radio

A moot point but I wonder if he believes his delusions or he just knows it’s an effective way of manipulating others to get what he wants

And they don’t have to follow him around the world / expect other countries to supply it

Prince Harry will seek to appeal the ruling and "hopes he will obtain justice", a legal spokesperson said

Arrogant little brat. Hopes he will get his own way if he screams often enough, more like.

If he was pennyless, then I might have agreed with some taxpayers secuirty for him but as you know he has some money and can easily afford bodyguards

Private security do not have access to secret service files, nor are they allowed to carry guns. Paying for private security is IMO (and Harry's) not as good as state security. But we don't want private citizens to be able to pay for these things so taxpayers need to fund it when necessary.

David Sherborne really saw him coming, didn't he?

Harry will lose again, to the tune of another few hundred grand.