Harry’s security case

[smilesy]

The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

It was, yes - both Harry and Meghan were told by the Cabinet Secretary in January 2020 that RAVEC would not provide protection because they were celebrities and faced intrusive interest from the public or the press.

He really can’t cope with his loss of status, this is all it has ever been about, I really hope he has to pay costs it’s a disgrace that the tax payer has had to pay for his ego to be stroked, the self important little twerp.

So it appears the judgement was made on Feb 1st, I wonder if that was the reason for the unnecessary trip to see his father, which was around Feb 8th.

It’s very interesting that the car chase findings were released today but his security when in the US isn’t related to the court case as Harry’s security in the US is arranged by him privately. NYC must be used to celebrities and other VIPs making public appearances so it’s surprising that Harry was in danger that night.
I think it’s very reasonable for RAVEC to decide on a case by case basis and not provide security for leisure visits like his court appearances but protect him for family “business” trips like funerals and coronations.

Given their strife with public life Hazza and Meegs should opt for something like a witness protection programme. New identities and relocation far far away.

Harry (via Schillings, his legal representatives) has complained the arrangements put in place by RAVEC for each of his visits to the UK since 2021 have been "inadequate, inappropriate and ineffective"

If he is saying that, on each occasion he has visited the UK since 2021, security arrangements have not been effective, does that mean that he is saying that on each occasion there has been some sort of security breach? Do we know what he says that was?

I would, frankly, be amazed if there was any issue around events like the Queen's funeral. The Home Office and the police are well aware that it's in no-one's interests for Harry to be attacked and would have ensured a high level of security was in place. At worst, I suspect his beef is that maybe some photographers turned up.

He was completely surrounded by security on his dashing 30 minute visit to his father recently - fleet of range rovers, outriders and traffic held.

What more does he want us to pay for?!

Perhaps because the plot twist is that Harry and Meghan are the two reckless individuals?

(I kid.)**

I think that releasing the car chase “letter” at this time only reinforces the impression that said car chase was manufactured in some way to try and demonstrate their absolute need for security. Shame it backfired somewhat 😆

Bless you wishing you a speedy recovery 💐💐💐💐

So my questions remains as to why Harry does not request official security from the State of California, his place of residence

Because Harry is not a US citizen and the US has no reason to pay his private protection. The US would tell him - the way the Canadians did - to go pound sand.

I'm not sure how he works, but as a presumably legal, tax paying resident of California, does he not have rights there? And Meghan of course is an American citizen, as are the children.

I agree with you that if he were to bring such a case, it would fail miserably. But that's never stopped him before. He just seems very fixated with the country in which he's spent a total of maybe a few weeks over the past 4 years. That's why I think this has a lot more to do with status and a sense of grievance than it does with 'security'.

Are we (the British taxpayer) funding this? That's horrific if so. How dare he take our money to fund his tantrums.

I’ve just ploughed through the judgement and it’s quite fun guessing what the many redacted bits could be. Sometimes the whole section!
I am guessing his comparator for security purposes is Andrew and his main beef seems to be that he thinks he should get a RMB each and every time he says he is coming to the U.K. and it is unfair and inappropriate if he doesn’t get this not understanding that RAVEC work on the basis that they will be told about a specific threat and it’s at that point a review is conducted, not the other way round.
plus there seemed to be a bit of game playing with Harry’s US security team about the Kew visit. Telling RAVEC they were coming, getting a rebuff of sorts from RAVEC then announcing the dates and locations and complaining RAVEC didn’t take this into account.
actually Harry sounds just as much a pita as he was when here in U.K. with lawyer letters flying around and pushing back on every RAVEC decision.
this decision will help clarify things a bit I think but Harry will never give up imo

Oh, Harry. If you can't be safe in UK the best thing for you to do is to stay in the US and never come back here. We'll manage to carry on with our drab, dreary lives without you.

😂

I think all this case has done is to undermine his credibility further.

That he lied about his offer to pay for security. That he already knew the palace had pursued this avenue, despite his narrative that his family is a shower of shits who cut him off at the knees.

That he'd been advised very clearly that his security arrangements would be reviewed and likely downgraded.

That's he's prepared to throw his weight around and make threats "I want the name of the person" etc etc

I think it's obvious the person(s) in comparison are W/W&C.

He can't compare to his father and all his cousins do not have full time security.

So the only person he can use is W and his family.

The problem with that is aside from the fact W is heir to the throne, he's also based in the UK.

The best comparators are his father's siblings when their mother was alive. None of these had full time security.

H is fundamentally arguing he is more "special" than any other member of his family in comparable circumstances. He's not.

He also might want to reflect on the argument re: threats from the Taliban after Spare being released was entirely predictable and if his own making as was his decision to move to the US.

The levels of security in place for him now are approximate.

He just wants everyone to believe the world is against him and M when frankly most people increasingly consider their positions as self inflicted, self serving and self absorbed.

You’ve summed it up beautifully.

’That's he's prepared to throw his weight around and make threats "I want the name of the person" etc’ - yes, it does all start to create a certain image of him. Behaviour designed to intimidate. It’s so telling how he treats those he considers as beneath him and there to serve him.

There’s also the very damaging extract in an email from the chair of RAVEC to the Cabinet Secretary after the latter had spoken to the Sussexes, saying it was very helpful for those concerned to hear those messages from the Cabinet Secretary because “when they heard them from me their reaction was to go above me to try to block action of any kind”.

So Harry and Meghan were trying to circumvent the authorised Home Office (Government) committee to get their own way.

Gosh! This has backfired spectacularly on them. No wonder they timed a letter leak and their IG promos around the same time, probably to bury this. It’s pretty damning and yet there in black and white for all to see.

Who would have guessed they would try to pull rank 🤔

No no no. They are linked, not ranked 😆

What also stood out for me in judgement is that Harry hadn’t even heard of RAVEC prior to some meeting he had in early 2019 with them ( presumably to discuss him and Meghan’s security or possibly Archie)
He then envisaged them as some shadowy secret organisation out to get him rather than what they are , a group of civil servants and experts in their field doing their job.
Harry had presumably never given his security and how it all worked and what it all cost any thought prior to this . I guess it all just happened for him.
I suspect that actually RAVEC knew him very well as they had been overseeing his security for 30 plus years and they clearly knew how he would react

Honestly, Meghan and Harry’s court cases have been such disasters for them. We have learned that behind the scenes they actively engage with the press then lie about it, including to the court, spin facts to appear to their advantage where possible, pull rank and are petulant behind the scenes including to very senior Civil servants, indulge in emotional blackmail and look for individuals to target. And that’s just the things that have been shown in the documents that have made it to the judgments!

How anyone can continue to swallow their victim narrative is beyond me.

They’ve unintentionally corroborated those bullying allegations, yet again.