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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

It was all left far too late, the odds were, if as she said, that he'd walk down the aisle in the equiv of USA shiny Moss Bross with one of those waistcoats with elastic at back designed to go under the jacket. Poss even slip ons. She'd simply not let that happen. She was all over the detail months before.

Shoes, tailoring, hair, make-over, media training, support the lot takes months and weeks. She's an actress who understands prepping for roles. The devil is in the detail and he'd not yet met H.

Possibly TM made the missteps he did as getting increasingly anxious the timeline not confirmed? If he was making a speech, was she going to let him go off the cuff? 'Well first there was Trev...' Not suggesting he's that gauche, but British Royalty at the Reception etc, would you really leave anything to chance?

He raised her after her mother buggered off when she was a child.

Thomas has never said this, neither has Meghan, nor Samantha nor Thomas Jr. Thomas and Doria coparented Meghan - Thomas was primary parent. I certainly would not be asking my children for my money back or lording it over their heads after I sent them to a fee paying school nor would I expect the same for University fees. It’s really odd behaviour that in any other circumstance on this very forum many posters would see that as abusive behaviour on the part of a parent but is excused when it comes to Thomas.

Trusts aren’t part of wills so we sometimes get to know. That’s how we know about the one the Queen Mother set up. She was allegedly in a lot of debt when she died yet the great grandkids got millions

They tend to be set up nice and early so anything for Harry from Charles will already have been paid for.

@reclaimmyboobs - your analysis has some merit… I can imagine Harry crawling back if the price was right. But Meghan? She might want to, but what PR in the universe could smooth over her “spectacle for the masses” wedding comment, and what family therapy could ever heal her jibes at Kate?

Aren’t usually part of wills for the RF that should say.

im finding this app really jumpy tonight!

@Janetime I'll judge MM by her actions, I am not a 'major fan'. Trying to see all angles. If her love be true, and I really hope it is, she'll stick around.

@reclaimmyboobs How much do you pay and what might that look like? If they are going to be 'King and Queen of the hill' in Montecito, they need more money, much more money. That'll be an expensive life, and if you want the yacht the jet, the highest status on the hill...in all of CA, in all of USA...

You make a good point about QC. I like to think it's entirely to her own credit, she does have some sterling qualities, that we've forgotten how she was perceived in late 90s.

You're right of course, but considering his taste for secrecy I'd still be absolutely amazed if we got to find out about Charles's arrangements - at least, reliably

BTW if anyone's interested since we've been discussing them, I found a well explained, pretty straightforward guide to Trusts:

https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/public/for-public-visitors/common-legal-issues/trusts#:~:text=In%20a%20trust%2C%20assets%20are,cash

@MaturingCheeseball what was the 'spectacle for the masses' comment? Will google. Most see her 'jibes' at KM as justified, after all, she 'owned it' as MM said.

I think she's far more popular than people realise. A way back might be the 'half in half out' role they wanted, with the 'half in' part being very separate with their own causes and pet projects. The summer in UK, etc, bearable...

I would never have believed 30 years ago that I'd be a supporter of Camilla, but I think she's doing a cracking job and giving great support to her husband.

But she didn't keep talking - she put her head down and ignored all the negativity surrounding her - and it took 30 years for her to be pretty much rehabilitated.

The thing that still bugs me though is when people say 'they should have allowed them to get married in the first place.' She didn't want to marry Charles, she was madly in love with APB when she married him, until she get tired of his philandering. Not saying either of them behaved well, but we all grow up eventually!

How much power does the reigning monarch to do exactly as they choose with the wealth and money they have? Could you decide to sell Sandringham and Balmoral, just like that, for example?

Most see her 'jibes' at KM as justified

Amongst the sugars.

Who are the 'most' to whom you refer?

And all opinion polls indicate that Meghan is very unpopular with the British public. Harry slightly less so, but his popularity ratings are still negative. What evidence do you have to the contrary?

And the 'half in half out' deal will not happen because it cannot happen. You can't have someone representing the monarchy in summer and flogging royal gossip in winter. That's not how it works.

The ones they own personally they could sell if they chose.

Edward VIII sold them to George VI after his abdication. They belonged to him personally so theoretically he could have kept them so there’s nothing legally to prevent Charles selling them.

@ajandjjmum I agree, she lived through hell. She's stoic and dignified. Her charity work is fab, effective and from the heart.

I feel for Diana though, if all the carrying on really happened pre the marriage breaking down especially, it's just immoral.

It's beyond horrific to find your adored new husband is in love with someone else. The right thing to do would be to kick PC into touch and tell him to make a go of it until he was divorced or separated, (if Camilla). Who knows, perhaps this is precisely what she did?

They can sell any of the properties they own - that does include Sandringham and Balmoral.

All the Crown estates - all the London palaces and properties, and the Scottish official residence are not theirs to sell. Any art work, jewellry or antiques which belong to the Crown cannot be sold.

Any of the jewelry which was the personal property of the monarch and inherited monarch to monarch could be sold

I'm not sure what the legal position on the two Duchys would be - Lancaster and Cornwall - they manage the portfolio as a business to fund the Monarch and the heir so there must be options for buying and selling assets within there but I don't know it an individual can siphon away anything for their personal savings while they are in charge. In the event of becoming a republic I assume those would default to the government and not simply become the property of the incumbent at the time.

@IcedPurple fair enough, responding to what @reclaimmyboobs proposes re: 'rehabilitation'.

As for 'most', I don't have evidence but I do hear many people defending MM and we are all in a bit of an echo chamber here...

Is it like not saying someone is a Stepford wife but Stepford wife like?🤔

They are different?

I don't think this is an 'echo chamber'. It's a parenting forum with thousands of members.

And where do you come across these 'many people'? Do you think the surveys conducted by reputable polling organisations have all got it wrong?

I haven't said anything about Stepford wives. You posting that makes it look like I have said that. I just want it clear on this thread that I haven't.

A narcissistic tone is what was mentioned and if you go and look at the post I am actually agreeing that what he said was disgusting.

@IcedPurple I don't disagree, but I think we're generally intelligent, thoughtful, etc and yes, are parents, we're a demographic and have a certain perspective. We're not everyone and surveys don't tell the whole story.

@reclaimmyboobs
“So, my theory. Harry is financially scuppered: no Netflix, no Spotify, no one’s champing at the bit for anything from Archewell, Spare gave some of its takings to charity and in any case for all its sales, it’s not Oprah money – but they’re spending for an Oprah lifestyle. He’s screwed.”

What happened to being after dinner speakers ? Did H and M not sign up to that too ? I know Harry did one search pre Covid but never heard about any more . Is he still part of Better Up ?

Mrs M's comment didn't read to me as suggesting you had made any Stepford Wife or indeed Stepford Wife like comments on thread Roussette - Mrs M was alluding to Scobie's comments in that regard and presumably extending the inference that narcissistic tone could be the tone of a narcissist?

I agree. He had served his purpose in raising her and in being talked about on the Tig but she had moved beyond that. It's a pattern she has with people - either she moves on from them as their use has disappeared or they move on from her.

eg Lizzie Cunday of all people - Meghan hung about with her from about 2013 in the UK. LC says that she was trying to get a spot for Meghan on Made in Chelsea as she loved London and wanted a British boyfriend.

@reclaimmyboobs and @Mylovelygreendress how much did they get for Netflix and Oprah do you think.

I didn't say you did - we all know that was Omid Scobie who said that.🙄