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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

Who knows how much but he’s burning through money in California with his mansion etc so he’s certainly going to need every penny he can get!

Yes, it is surprising that he wasn't brought over and prepared. And, of course, that he never met Harry, even after the engagement.

@Tiddlywinks63 I think odds are he’ll be left an unimaginably vast sum. More than enough to live like a King. Currently, agree, must be super expensive to maintain lifestyle.

Really? Do tell !

On second thoughts... lol

MM is extremely smart, savvy & ultra sophisticated

I think if that was the case they’d not make so many errors of judgement. I think arguably she’s far from that. I wish she was though, And I don’t mean that as a criticism, but if she was any of those things she’d not say things evidentially untrue and would at least have some influence over what they do and not have done everything since the exit so very badly.

Harry won’t be left anything. The IHT cost would be through the roof. The have the exemption and they use it.

He’ll likely get a trust fund (that’s most likely already set up) like the Queen Mother left him, but generally they have to rely on the goodwill of the next monarch.

For example Charles will be covering rents that the Queen covered for her cousins.

@YetMoreNewBeginnings that makes sense, how much? Who knows. 200 million? More? Property/shares - or Royal equivalent of these/artefacts? Can PC do as he wishes re: any Trust, in theory, add caveats?

Majority of royal wealth is kept within the institution, jewellery and property that remains property of the crown etc. if I remember rightly Diana got about 20million and and fergie a couple of million in divorce settlement indicating the wealth of Charles and Andrew at the time. Harry will receive a fortune in the average person terms but it won’t be in the hundreds of millions

I doubt Harry will be left with anything like 300 million. Certainly not outright!

I'm no expert @User14March but I'm sure another poster possibly @Serenster ?
Explained if yonks ago , I think the monarch can only use their own funds for setting up a trust.

Maybe she didn’t mention her mother because there wasn’t anything to humble brag about

Meghan did mention her mother - in a Mother’s Day post just like she did her father in a Father’s Day post. There has been no narrative change. Thomas and Doria coparented Meghan. Thomas was primary parent in her teenage years - Meghan has spoken of an ongoing relationship and activities with her mother during that period. Again - Thomas has not once had a bad word to say about Doria. Think about why.

I totally agree. Also didn't H want to meet his future father in law?! When you fall in love with someone, you want to meet their family because you want to know more about them. (Of course you may later wish you'd never met your ILs but that's a whole other topic 🤣).

@Janetime has she done everything ‘badly’ post exit? The majority believe Catherine didn’t behave kindly or graciously in their interactions. TM behaved terribly. It’s also, all relative…

I don’t think Harry came over to take himself out from the line of succession, it takes an act of parliament and the dude doesn’t even want to lose his title, Christ he even demands to be called prince harry and not just Harry, and it impacts his kids. If they wanted him out the line of succession that would be the legal battle to end all legal battles.

its literally what it says on the tin, no conspiracy theory, he decided to jump on a plane and visit his father,without his fathers agreement, and the pair of them , harry and Megan, publicised the arse out of it. On the way in at Least. They were more circumspect on the way out.

im never really sure why some folks expect better behaviour from them still, they just pull publicity stunt after publicity stunt,

it’s the fact they went so heavy in publicising it, tells us exactly what this is, and it was neither noble or about love.

I don’t think he’ll give him anything like that. There’s zero rumour of the Queen leaving trust funds anything like in that region. More like £20 million. They also tend to leave more to grandchildren (great grandchildren in QEQM’s case) than their children.

They tend to keep things in the central line. property for example - Sandringham and Balmoral have always just been passed down to the next monarch. There’s not actually that much property that they own themselves, most are crown estates or Dutchy properties.

Yes, they can’t use crown money or Dutchy money for it.
Only their own, which they have a lot of, but theyd soon get through a chunk of they chucked £200 million about to everyone.

I mean, that would have been £600 million for the Queen (if you assume she didn’t give Charles anything specifically). Plus anything left to grandchildren!

I think so yes. I don’t think anyone can think otherwise? Their reputation is in tatters, Spotify called them grafters. Dior had to deny they wanted to use them, Oprah and Netflix seriously ill advised. Claiming they got married before they did, forcing the Archbishop of Canterbury to disclaim that, the ludicrous announcement they both made on the high speed pap chase that never was. The controversy over archewll finances. The staff all leaving.

I mean it’s not good is it, and certainly not the sign of someone even remotely savvy.

The thing with TM was quite odd.

I'm pretty sure it was announced that he would walk MM down the aisle.

I wonder about logistics though.

Was he still working at time?

How was he supposed to get over for fittings/rehearsals?

@Janetime, I think you could spin it another way, but I take your points.

MM is extremely popular with many etc, successful tour/s, good causes, creditworthy/noble work with charities, feminist. She's also a gifted speaker with buckets of charisma. I am not sure we were supposed to take what she said on Oprah literally re: marriage, private ceremony etc, it was/she meant, I think, something special between themselves, this is what she was driving at.

So, my theory. Harry is financially scuppered: no Netflix, no Spotify, no one’s champing at the bit for anything from Archewell, Spare gave some of its takings to charity and in any case for all its sales, it’s not Oprah money – but they’re spending for an Oprah lifestyle. He’s screwed.

Meanwhile, the royal family is scuppered: everyone wants the slimmed-down monarchy, just a few senior royals. But now K-Middy is out of action – it’s temporary but it shows the flaw in the system – and Chuck may be on the way out. His siblings become less important when he goes; right now the Princess Royal and the chinless one, whatsisface, are siblings to the monarch. (Let us not speak of the pervert.) When Wills takes over, they become aunt and uncle to the monarch. It’s a demotion. Eugenie and Beatrice have lives and are busy. The Cambridge kids are young and, by rights, deserve their years doing university and playing helicopters like daddy before settling down into royal duties. Camilla ain’t nothing without a king. So basically when Chuck dies it’s Wills and Kate, that’s it. Scuppered.

So! Right now wouldn’t you be sweetening Harry to bring him back to the fold? A better plot twist than a Parisian tunnel. But the public ain’t on side, and what Harry speaks is money. So this is the first step: you PAY Harry to draw the media sniper fire away from Charles and whispers that this is the end of the royal family, for how can it continue slimmed down or no? It just doesn’t work. The papers were all over this like rats on chips when the initial Kate hospital news came out; doubly so when Buck Pal made its announcement. They needed a news story to distract: enter mad Harry’s aeroplane escapade for a 12-minute audience with daddy. It’s now all anyone’s talking about! But Harry knows it’s bad press, so why do it? Cha-ching: MONEY.

The next step of course is the rehabilitation of Harry and Meghan. In exchange for money, the Firm will do for the Californian couple what it did for Camilla. Remember when we all HATED Camilla, and now she’s QUEEN? It was all a PR plan. So now comes the Harry PR plan, and he plays along because he has to, because he’s broke. It all makes sense…

Thomas Markle had a brother, Mike (now deceased), who had served in the US Air Force and the diplomatic service, and once helped Meghan secure an internship. An entirely suitable person to be introduced to the Royal Family, one might think, but Meghan cut him off too.

She’s an actress, I understand you’re a major fan and really like her, but the fact remains, they have failed dismally since they left, there is no other way to spin it. They had so many opportunities. Now they have programs like South Park made mocking them, the Hollywood reporter calling them losers, Spotify calling them grafters, confirmation she faked all the non famous Spotify podcasts and had a junior do them, the list is absolutely endles.

its fine to be a fan, no issue,but there is no way to spin how bad it is, and the abysmal failure is not the sign of someone savvy or any other positive. It’s a sign of someone completely out of their depth and unable to take guidance.

Bottom line is that Thomas Markle is white trash. Doria brushes up well, but woe betide her if she speaks up, viz the captured on film clip which shows a less-than-pleased Meghan glaring at her mother when Doria is making a point about something.

No way would Harry agree to opt out of the line of succession! As if!

I agree heartily that Harry must be bricking it about the financial and status implications of the possible early demise of his father. He is Charles’s son and that is a wholly different relationship from a brother whom you’ve trashed and whose wife you have been repeatedly nasty about.

So now comes the Harry PR plan, and he plays along because he has to, because he’s broke.

Can't see H convincing M though-even if he did want back in!

@User14March as others have said Charles may or may not make Harry the beneficiary of a Trust, but the bottom line is we'll never know since royal wills are sealed

It's true though that one day William will be holding the purse strings (he already does for the Duchy of Cornwall, now Charles has moved on to the Duchy of Lancaster) and how that may impact Harry is anyone's guess

I'm very well aware that it's claimed Harry's no longer publicly funded, but there's no way of knowing if that's true or not ... also no way to stop him claiming that Charles left him precisely nothing if that's what he wanted to do